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Date Posted: 11:03:55 04/11/03 Fri
Author: Kharn
Author Host/IP: kharnserv.xs4all.nl / 213.84.47.237
Subject: Re: I don't know
In reply to: Gwydion 's message, "Re: I don't know" on 09:29:36 04/11/03 Fri

>Are you sure about that? The article said the exact
>opposite.
>
>"The murder rates of the U.S. and U.K. are also
>affected by differences in the way each counts
>homicides. The FBI asks police to list every homicide
>as murder, even if the case isn’t subsequently
>prosecuted or proceeds on a lesser charge, making the
>U.S. numbers as high as possible. By contrast, the
>English police "massage down" the homicide statistics,
>tracking each case through the courts and removing it
>if it is reduced to a lesser charge or determined to
>be an accident or self-defense, making the English
>numbers as low as possible."

I noticed, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. America has something like 10,000 gun deaths a year, right, and only a couple of thousand "murders". But all those gun deaths would be murders in the UK, because the law works diferently. He's talking inside the law, but you can't do that for countries that have such enormous differences in laws. Belgium and the Netherlands, that'd be possible.

>That's probably true. I still believe that gun
>ownership on a large scale could work in Europe, but I
>haven't seen a good model to provide evidence for that
>hypothesis yet.

I don't think it'd do much good for Europe. While crime rates have been up lately, I don't think gun ownership would magically make the problems go away. I'm of the socialist breed, hence I believe the only way to fight crime is to fight poverty, just as the only way to fight terrorism is, again, to fight poverty. And that's a pretty big difference between the average American's outlook and that of most Europeans.

And: http://www.voy.com/142415/

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