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Date Posted: 08:02:13 10/05/08 Sun
Author: Wilma
Author Host/IP: 88.195.73.47
Subject: Re: Buffy and Giles' relationship in the comics (season 8) -> possible spoilers.
In reply to: Lucille 's message, "Buffy and Giles' relationship in the comics (season 8) -> possible spoilers." on 20:32:50 10/01/08 Wed

I'm one of those who hasn't read the comics but I have so many online friends who has, that I think I have at least some vague idea about what's going on. It saddended me that Joss seemed pretty much ignore (apart from Faith's story arc) such a great character as Giles in his comics. First I thought Joss was either building him up as the villain... or killing him. While my friend says that Giles isn't going to be the villain of the piece, I still worry Joss might kill him because he doesn't know what to do with Giles.

About Buffy and Giles, it bothers me that Joss ruined the once "ideal" father/daughter relationship. From Joss' shows it became clear that he has definitely some daddy issues, but why did he have to take it on Giles?

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[> Re: Buffy and Giles' relationship in the comics (season 8) -> possible spoilers. -- ToG, 04:27:26 10/06/08 Mon [1] (24.253.36.42)

My take on it was that Giles and Buffy have been growing farther apart since the end of season 3. Up till Season 7 she tolerated Giles pressents in her life because he was her mentor. However in Season 5 was the first time that Giles struck a chip in the relationship. When it came to his decision and killing Dawn. After that when Buffy died I think he became emotionally detached from the group as a whole and had his one chance to get away and life a normal life. That didn't happen and in Season 6 Buffy who was already lost got told by the one person she thought she could count on to suck it up and go forth.

This lead to a dynamic in relationship roles as Buffy sought guidance and comfort elsewhere hence Spike becomming a increasing part in the series. Spike had taught Buffy alot about slayers and herself whether or not she wanted to admit it. All the way back in season 2 and 3 to season 5. But the fact that the "monster" was willing to do whatever it took to save Dawn and Giles wasn't knocked Giles off of his pedestool in Buffy's eye. Spike very much replaced Giles in season 6 granted he lead Buffy down the dark path but she learned alot about herself. In season 7 this where it all goes wrong because Giles tries to kill Spike. While it didn't work that was the final nail in the coffin because Giles basically showed Buffy that she still wasn't a general to him and that he would do what he wanted. He also tried to take away her own support system the one that was screwed up but was the best available one.

So I'm not really shocked that it happening in season 8 because it's doomed to happen. In the end Giles was the most successful watcher because he taught Buffy to do whatever worked to get the job done. He also taught her alot of life lesson but in doing so he equip her to the point of making himself obsolete. I also think with the council's destruction it basically lined Giles up to the fact that he was going to live the remainder lonely and working for the cause.

As for Silver Agent I disagree that one has to have a belief in a highier being in order to be redeemed. The fact of the matter was in order to be redeemed one has to give up ones own ego and Spike and Angel both did that by realizing that they were going to go to hell. Why support a god/higher being if you know in the end it doesn't matter and doesn't make up for all the wrong you did. Angel and Spike were there own worst enemies but that doesn't mean they can't be redeemed.


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[> [> Very, very thoughtful analysis, TOG! -- Gachnar, 11:00:14 10/09/08 Thu [1] (216.186.54.25)


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