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Date Posted: 10:07:13 08/05/05 Fri
Author: Ramses 2
Author Host/IP: 69.242.120.180
Subject: Silly question time
Remember when Spike told Buffy that she was sooo err, sexually interesting that they did things he couldn't even spell? Was he just a bad speller? I mean really, there are only so many ways a body can bend....so what could have shocked a vampire who had been with Miss Hurt Me It'll be Fun Drusilla?(Don't be too graphic)
Is it just me, or have you ever found yourself trying to spell the latin for certain acts?
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That may be the answer . . . -- MTsFan, 10:26:55 08/05/05 Fri [1] (205.175.225.24)
"Is it just me, or have you ever found yourself trying to spell the latin for certain acts?"
Various things have short, common names and longer "official" names. The latter being harder to spell even if you do pay attention to them at all. I'll omit the examples in the interest of not being deleted.
I think he was trying to put the heat of his passion for Buffy into the context of his past relationships, eg Dru, with that statement. It's a telling comparison.
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How many "r's" in interruptus? -- Eurydice, 10:39:24 08/05/05 Fri [1] (141.154.24.189)
And those Greek dipthongs are so difficult to render in English.
But I rather think that Spike was being kind, because unless Riley had unsuspected depths, I don't see where Buffy would have gotten her information. And it seemed like a contrast to when Angelus told her she wasn't any good in the sack.
Then again, we could go with the metaphor - that women are so superhumanly sexy that they destroy mens' ability to...spell...or something. One of those hidden Slayer skills passed down from the First Slayer...no wonder the Watcher's Council was so nervous.
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I don't think we should believe Angelus -- TGWShark, 10:51:26 08/05/05 Fri [1] (65.161.178.226)
Angelus was trying to hurt her, so nothing he said about Buffy's sexual ability can be believed.
As for Spike, I suspect he was speaking hyperbolically. That would be in keeping with his once having the soul of a poet. Even a bloody awful one.
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Of course, we shouldn't believe Angelus -- Eurydice, 10:58:42 08/05/05 Fri [1] (141.154.24.189)
Although considering it was Buffy's first time, I don't think she could have had all that much ability. My point was that Buffy's first vampire told her she was no good and her second told her she was fabulous - I'm not making any judgements about Angel or Spike or Buffy here - just pointing out something the writers chose to do, that's all.
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Agree. Although she could have learned from Parker ;-) -- TGWShark, 11:02:27 08/05/05 Fri [1] (65.161.178.226)
Would have been a busy night. But would have explained why she had such a hard time letting go of the poophead.
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Re: How many "r's" in interruptus? -- luvthistle1, 06:06:07 08/08/05 Mon [1] (24.136.16.174)
Angelus told her she wasn't any good in the sack, because he wanted to hurt her, it doesn't mean it was true....and if you think about, Buffy might have learn from Angel, and Parker.
[that Buffy's first vampire told her she was no good and her second told her she was fabulous - ]
..so what did Riley think?
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Re: Silly question time -- Rosie, 11:04:16 08/05/05 Fri [1] (170.97.67.115)
Buffy had been with two guys between Angel and Spike - Parker and Riley. And she had been with Riley for about a year.
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So no one else imagines William the Bloody -- Ramses 2, 11:11:58 08/05/05 Fri [1] (69.242.120.180)
sitting in his crypt trying to write poems about their sexual exploits? Using latin or greek of course so it wouldn't be vulgar(because he remembers what happened when he he told her the only thing better than killing a slayer...ouch)
So there he is with pencil in hand, skritch, skritch...'There once was a sweet bird named Buffy
who often and often got.....buggars, how does one spell that? What was that anyway? :)
And to further this discussion, did anyone else think Spike actually seemed embarrassed/shy/blushing when Faith saw him on the bed in Buffy's basement with the handcuffs? Didn't he say, 'it's not what it looks like?' and then looked relieved that Faith read their purpose correctly? Maybe Dru, Angelus and Spike were all rather prudish in bed?(I am being tongue in cheek here)
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Perhaps it's a matter of cultural differences -- Eurydice, 11:26:10 08/05/05 Fri [1] (141.154.24.189)
Because it's one thing to be drenched in baby's blood and having 4-way sex while chained to a trapeze over a flaming lava pit - but to a vamp, having somone "lie back and think of England" is all OMG and kinda naughty, like trying to pass for human. We just know Dru wouldn't approve. ;-)
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Yes, I always imagine it -- Eurydice, 11:45:31 08/05/05 Fri [1] (141.154.24.189)
Only he's writing:
"There once was a doll named Eurydice, Who was ever so better than Buffy could be...hmmm, that's not right...where's my thesaurus...."
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LOL at both your posts! -- Ramses 2, 11:55:28 08/05/05 Fri [1] (69.242.120.180)
'lie back and think of England', I can see this as being deviant for Spike,(though Dru did seem to be doing a bit of that in Destiny) and now I have questions as to what exactly a watcher teaches his slayer?
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to be fair, English spelling back in William's time was much different -- 93curr, 11:25:09 08/05/05 Fri [1] (206.130.170.11)
seems unlikely that, as a vamp, he'd bother to keep up with current spelling trends. I bet he still uses "ye olde."
I don't think that comment was half as much about Buffy's sexual enthusiasm for variety so much as Spike's lack of book smarts.
I can just see him doing a crosseord puzzle now. "hey, hon, does "dirty sanchez" end in a "z" or an "s"?"
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Re: to be fair, English spelling back in William's time was much different -- 93curr, 11:34:09 08/05/05 Fri [1] (206.130.170.11)
okay, speaking of lack of book smarts, I used that example without actually knowing what a "dirty sanchez" was. I just googled it and, ewwwww.
sorry 'bout that.
but at least I spelled it right.
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I guess you don't get "effulgent" much in crossword puzzles any more :-) -- Eurydice, 11:36:55 08/05/05 Fri [1] (141.154.24.189)
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Though now I want to read 'ye olde' in a dirty poem -- Ramses 2, 11:57:56 08/05/05 Fri [1] (69.242.120.180)
Maybe Sharky could whip something up.(I said up, not out Sharky...oh wait:0)
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You're thinking of much further back... -- ukfan, 17:55:46 05/24/08 Sat [1] (147.197.215.16)
Actually, English spelling was pretty much standardised by the 19th century. Syntax and expressions were a little different: spelling, at least amongst the educated, much as it is now.
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Re: to be fair, English spelling back in William's time was much different -- jive, 14:24:44 07/05/08 Sat [1] (67.166.209.237)
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Re: Silly question time -- Rosalind, 14:09:19 08/05/05 Fri [1] (154.20.170.118)
I remember being disappointed at the obvious atrophying of William's language skills when he devolved into street thug Spike. William is an educated man and Greek and Latin were part of a gentleman's education. So why can't he spell all those wonderful words? As I say, disappointing.
I always hoped that the writers, in giving him a backstory, would have made William the anonymous writer of that wonderful book of vintage Victorian porn, My Secret Life. A very naughty piece of work, penned by a very naughty Victorian gentleman. Lots of interesting spelling in this one. I have a personal reason for liking it and would have loved to see my favorite Victorian vampire being the one to have written it. Shortly after I met my now-husband, we were discussing -- stuff -- and he had never heard of My Secret Life. A few days later I actually found a copy in a vintage bookstore and bought it for him. Later I asked him how he liked it. He replied, thus sealing his fate as my future husband, "Oh, it was okay, in snatches." After I picked myself off the floor, I decided this man was The One!
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yes, but William's devolution into street thug was intentional -- 93curr, 15:13:23 08/05/05 Fri [1] (206.130.170.11)
he took the opportunity, once vamped, to reinvent himself. slumming for fun and profit. and blood. turning his back on who he was meant acting tough, imitating lower class aesthetics and ridiculing intelligent discourse. otherwise how are you gonna impress the ladies? chix dig dumb guys. smart guys? they end up as technical consultants on the '40 Year Old Virgin' movie.
losing his language/spelling skills is totally in character for a poser.
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Chix dig dumb guys? Excuse me? Sweeping generalisation there methinks.. -- ukfan, 17:59:45 05/24/08 Sat [1] (147.197.215.16)
No, we don't, not all of us. All my exes have PhDs, and the hub was an Oxford scholar. Street-smart "tough guys" are all mouth and no substance.
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Don't forget, though... -- Clairel, 15:29:16 08/05/05 Fri [1] (66.138.40.233)
Spike still deciphered the wall description instantaneously, in the season 7 episode at the Gilroy mission. His language skills hadn't really atrophied. In season 2, he only kept Dalton around for show.
Clairel
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No need to limit ourselves to Greek and Latin -- Eurydice, 15:47:00 08/05/05 Fri [1] (151.203.55.202)
There's Babylonian - words like "girsequ"...which...is...probably not what Spike was talking about, but I'm sure they had words for other things. Maybe in that book of protections spells Anya couldn't decipher? Jonathan seemed to recognize it as Babylonian....
And here I thought I was the only one who hoped William had written My Secret Life...whew, what a relief to know I'm not alone in my depravity. Do you suppose William really *had* a secret life, or just a really, really vivid imagination?
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eagerly scans the lines 'betwixt it's wee beak" for smutty upstairs maid -- Ramses 2, 18:24:19 08/05/05 Fri [1] (69.242.120.180)
connotations. Oh balls, I can't find any:)
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Must be a Scorpio thing. -- Rosalind, 00:47:55 08/06/05 Sat [1] (154.20.170.118)
Our depravity, that is. William must have had a secret life because he had absolutely no imagination. All this harking and larking about twixt wee beaks, not to mention all his effulgent bulging. All the hallmarks of a bloody awful pornographer posing as a bloody awful poet. I never really got the blushing mid-twenties virgin thing for dear, sweet William anyway. He's a wealthy man with a doting mother living in the capital city in the most powerful country in an era noted for its hypocrisy in sexual matters.
Prostitution was endemic in Victorian times, a woman who was seduced (today this would often be recognized as rape) by her employer and became pregnant could be put out on the street with nothing. She was ruined and prostitution was her only option. I find it hard to believe that a man as pampered and spoiled and self-satisfied as William remained a virgin. He was a romantic but being a romantic is not necessarily synonymous with chastity. Getting laid wouldn't have been difficult for him. He wants Cecily as his wife not as a sexual partner.
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Ooh, are we having a bad poetry competition? -- ProfoundlyStupid, 21:34:36 08/05/05 Fri [1] (24.103.79.194)
Hi there, Ramses 2. Long time no disagree.
I can see Spike sharpening his quill... I mean, filling his fountain pen... I mean scribbling the following, in plain Ye Olde English:
But hark! The Spark
Hath hit its mark!
Slutty Buffy calls me.
Twixt chance and luck
We thrice did . . . ! (yuck)
Oh, that it would forever be.
I don't know when a certain four-letter word became current, so perhaps Victorian Spike didn't know it. But Buffy-era Spike sure did and if he couldn't spell that, then he really wasn't the sharpest stake ... I mean, the brightest star in the heavens. Maybe I'm being too harsh, because he could have meant they did unspellable things from the Karma Sutra. After all, English, Greek, Latin, Demon - they're all first and second languages to William and Spike. But Hindi, well, that's like Babylonian or ancient Sumerian. :-)
In my heart I know that he said what he did just to illustrate how wonderfully memorable Buffy-sex was, but if I'm being literal-minded I can more easily imagine that he was referring to the unspellable ways they killed demons together. ;-)
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I'm compelled, I've never done this before, -- Ramses 2, 00:14:32 08/06/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
but I feel the need to type tee hee:)
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Re: Ooh, are we having a bad poetry competition? -- JSlayerUK, 00:01:02 08/01/08 Fri [1] (82.39.156.229)
That certain four letter word is thought to have Anglo-Saxon roots. Certainly Germanic etymologically speaking, similar derivation is the related verb "ficken" which means to copulate.
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