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Date Posted: 18:25:12 07/13/07 Fri
Author: mike (New message for you)
Subject: Re: ERYTHROPOIETIN (EPO) - FOR STAMINA & ENDURANCE ATHLETIC FIELD
In reply to: nkristan@indo.net.id 's message, "ERYTHROPOIETIN (EPO) - FOR STAMINA & ENDURANCE ATHLETIC FIELD" on 01:07:18 01/09/06 Mon

nolva or clomid please for pct. how much?
also very interested in hormone replacement therapy - test and hgh. again, how much? thanks.
regards, Mike


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>ERYTHROPOIETIN (EPO) - FOR STAMINA & ENDURANCE
>ATHLETIC FIELD (SPRINTER, TRACK-AND-FIELD, MARATHON,
>RUNNERS, CYCLIST, BOXER, BIKER, ETC)
>
>
>
>
>Erythropoietin (pronounced, ah-rith-ro-poy-tin, and
>abbreviated, EPO) is a relatively recent entry into
>the deceitful pursuit of glory. EPO is a protein
>hormone produced by the kidney. After being released
>into the blood stream it binds with receptors in the
>bone marrow, where it stimulates the production of red
>blood cells (erythrocytes). Medically, EPO is used to
>treat certain forms of anemia (e.g., due to chronic
>kidney failure). Logically, since EPO accelerates
>erythrocyte production it also increases oxygen
>carrying capacity. This fact did not long escape
>notice of the athletic community.
>
>Blood doping is the process of artificially increasing
>the amount of red blood cells in the body in an
>attempt to improve athletic performance. In the past
>this was accomplished by transfusion. The athlete
>would “donate” a unit of blood into storage and then 3
>weeks later, after the body had completely replaced
>the blood loss, transfuse the unit back into the body.
>This would occur just before a big race, effectively
>giving the athlete an “extra” unit of blood. This
>enables performance improvements in endurance sports
>because of the extra oxygen carrying capacity.
>
>EPO has put a whole new spin on blood doping. No need
>for messy transfusions, just shoot up with EPO to
>increase your circulating erythrocyte mass. Until
>recently accurate testing has been difficult because
>the recombinant human EPO made in the lab is virtually
>identical to the naturally occurring form and there
>are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the
>body. Thus, over the past 10 – 15 years some athletes
>chose to cheat because, as long as they kept their
>hematocrit levels below 50%, there seemed little risk
>of getting caught.
>
>EPO is an injectable protein hormone that acts on
>bone marrow to stimulate red blood cell production.
>This is a new drug which is being experimented with by
>some elite athletes especially distance runners and
>elite cyclists. It has been very effective for what
>it is designed for and sometimes is used as a
>replacement for blood transfusions. Athletes use this
>drug to dramatically increase red blood cells which
>are the oxygen carrying components of blood. Athletes
>are well aware that if they can increase the
>oxygen-storing ability of their blood they can
>increase performance. This is the theory behind blood
>doping. EPO does the same thing but is more
>convenient considering the use of EPO just requires a
>number of injections. Blood doping requires drawing
>out approximately a liter of blood, freezing it, then
>thawing it and reinfusing it several weeks later. EPO
>has a dramatic effect on hematocrit which is the
>percentage of red blood cells in blood. A hematocrit
>of 40 means that 40% of the volume of blood is
>composed of red blood cells which is about normal.
>Athletes not uncommonly have a higher-than-average
>hematocrit. When an athlete injects EPO, there
>hematocrit can rise as much as 40%. This results in
>an especially high concentration of RBCS. EPO use is
>most widespread amongst endurance athletes yet a
>number of weightlifters have been experimenting with
>it.
>
>Effective Dose: Between 50-300 IU/kg of bodyweight.
>Not to be used for more than 6 weeks. Will start
>seeing effects on week 3th. Inject EPO daily for 2
>weeks before competition day. After week 3th, your red
>blood cells will remain high for the next 3-6 months.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>METHYL 1-TESTOSTERONE
>
>
>Andro (prohormone supplement) has been popular for
>long time. But that’s the past. This time, right now,
>methyl 1-testosterone is number one in the game.
>
>
>COMES A NEW MOST STRONGEST AND POWERFUL PROHORMONE
>AVAILABLE AND HIT THE THE MARKET !
>
>M1T aka Methyl 1-Testosterone. This is 1-TESTOSTERONE
>in METHYL FORM – MORE POWER AND POTENT PROHORMONE-
>RESULT GUARANTEED!!
>
>Only US$ 136.00 per 240 tabs, s&h fee not included.
>
>You can gain serious muscle without any bloat with
>Methyl 1 Testosterone. VERY VERY Hard to find!! M1T is
>now illegal in the USA !
>
>240 tabs? It can last 60 to 240 days depending on the
>usage. Minimum is 3 tabs for beginers and up to 5 tabs
>for experienced prohormone user. 4 tabs it self can
>show result within same day in term of massive
>incredible pump. In fact I use it too for my bulk
>season.
>
>This supplement should not be taken by novice
>prohormone users or by anyone under 21. Do not take
>unless you are serious with your training and diet.
>
>Our new Methyl 1-Testosterone uses a chemical
>Methylation process previously available only with
>Anabolic Steroids like Oxandrolone, Dianabol and
>Anadrol 50! Methyl 1-Testosterone can truly change
>your workouts forever! Mindblowing pumps and
>unbelievable gains in muscle size and strength in very
>short periods of time. At 16 times more potent than
>Testosterone, M1T is undoubtably the most effective
>prohormone to ever hit store shelves. M1T has more in
>common with its anabolic steroid cousins than it does
>with existing prohormones.
>
>Methyl 1-Test is generating a tremendous word of mouth
>buzz in the hardcore, community and most users are
>comparing this amazing bodybuilding supplement to the
>most potent (illegal) steroids. Methyl 1 Testosterone
>has successfully mimicked the effect of the wildly
>sought after Oxandrolone better known as Anavar!
>
>Even the dosages resemble these pharmaceuticals as
>only 10-20 mg per day yield dramatic strength and lean
>bodyweight increases with no water retention! Methyl 1
>Testosterone is the first prohormone to yield almost
>100% bioavailability by inhibiting breakdown in the
>liver !!
>It is recommended to use for 8 weeks only. This is
>very powerful stuff,16 times more anabolic than
>testosterone and twice powerful than 1-testosterone.
>Methyl-1-testosterone is methylted version of 1-
>testosterone, therefore yields more power.
>
>During, off cycle it's recommended to use ephedrine
>30mg + creatine 5gram + r-alpha lipoic acid +
>l-glutamine 5gram + thyroid hormone or similar
>compound 30mcg + whey protein 50g + some salt 200mg +
>dextrose 50g to keep the gains made. Or use ephedrine
>+ creatine + whey protein+ r-ala. This is easy to get
>and use. Dont use those all in one protein creatine
>combo. Also use ZMA at night after the cycle. ZMA can
>be used all year round without any side effects.
>
>This combo will only be available next year as
>ephedrine is big issue all over the world. In
>meanwhile, you can buy ephedrine separately from me.
>
>The above info will help you to gain muscle all year
>round with very less damage. If there is any side
>effects, it will be water retention. If taken more
>than 8 tabs a day, then there is serious damage.
>
>
>Methyl-1-Testosterone (aka M1T)
>
>Methyl 1-testosterone, or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the
>methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. This
>structural modification makes steroids much more
>orally bioavailable by inhibiting breakdown in the
>liver. Although it has only been widely available for
>a period of time, feedback on this compound indicates
>that it may be the most effective legal
>prohormone/steroid product on the market regardless of
>delivery method, and it is hands down the most
>effective oral product.
>
>The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of
>1-test – it does not convert to estrogen,
>non-aromatizing steroid, and it is highly anabolic and
>moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When
>compared to orally administered methyltestosterone,
>methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as
>androgenic / more androgenic than methyltestosterone
>
>On the other hand, most users report a wealth of side
>effects, and this compound is not to be taken lightly.
>It does not have a long history of use or a
>well-established safety profile, and proper
>precautions should be taken. The side effects reported
>by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual
>reactions vary considerably.
>
>These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage
>or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it
>with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help,
>but feedback on this is limited.
>
>Another concern with methyl 1-test (and methylated
>steroids in general) is hepatotoxicity. Although this
>tends to be exaggerated, it is still prudent to take
>certain precautions. First and foremost, other
>substances that are toxic to the liver (such as
>alcohol) should be avoided to avoid placing extra
>stress on the liver. If methyl 1-test is stacked, it
>would be best to stack it with something other than an
>oral steroid/prohormone, such as a transdermal. Milk
>thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and N-acetyl-cysteine are
>commonly recommended to help protect the liver.
>Users of Methyl 1-Test should be aware that joints and
>connective tissues are slower to adapt to the
>increased weights that will be used due to the
>strength gaining effects of Methyl 1-Test.
>
>When taking methyl 1-test, it is best to start out
>with at least a week at a dose of 5-10 mg to see how
>one reacts. Many users find this range to be
>effective, while others feel the ideal amount is 20-40
>mg. It comes down to the experience, goals, and
>individual reaction. Many find a lower dose to be just
>as effective as a higher one, but with less side
>effects. With a compound such as this, it is generally
>best to err on the side of caution, especially for
>those that are less experienced with steroids. Most
>seem to find their ideal dose to be in the 10-30 mg
>range. Cycle length should be kept short, in the range
>of 4-8 weeks. Finally, it is especially important to
>take adequate time off after each cycle with this
>substance to allow the body to recover.
>
>Always check with a physician before taking any
>supplement and avoid if you have liver disease or high
>blood pressure. Do not take if you are subject to
>rules prohibiting prohormone supplementation.
>
>
>
>
>
>HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE FOR FATLOSS AND ANTI-AGING /
>REJUVENATION
>
>
>Benefits of HGH replacement by injection reported in
>the medical literature are described below. Benefits
>are gradually achieved over three to twelve months
>(depend on the dosage) after restoring growth hormone
>levels in older patients to normal levels for a
>healthy young adult. Benefits may continue to
>increase for up to 18 months or more after beginning
>therapy.
>
> It’s scientifically well proven that secretion
>of growth hormone by the pituitary gland decreases
>progressively with age. Starting after adolescence,
>secretion of growth hormone steadily declines until
>the amount present in older people is a small fraction
>of younger levels, often less than 10%. This is one
>cause of many adverse effects of aging, including the
>following:
>
>1) 5% increase in fat with each 10 years of life
>
>2) Decreases in muscle strength, skin thickness, bone
>density, physical endurance, mental ability, and
>immune defenses
>
>3) Skin wrinkles
>
>4) Osteoporosis
>
>5) Alzheimer’s dementia
>
>6) Senility
>
>7) Obesity
>
>8) Fatigue
>
>9) Muscle and organ atrophy
>
>10) And other age-related conditions, which have been
>reported to improve with HGH replacement therapy.
>
>
>Benefits of using HGH Injection are reported in
>published studies include:
>
>15% average decrease in fat.
>8% average increase in muscle and lean body structures.
>Improved skin texture resulting in a more youthful
>appearance.
>Fewer skin wrinkles.
>Increased bone density, reversal of osteoporosis.
>Faster healing of any type of injury, fracture, or
>wound.
>Greatly enhanced immunity and resistance to infection.
>Enhanced brain function, retention of intellect with
>aging.
>Improvement in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s syndromes.
>Improved sex drive.
>Improvement in overall physical and mental well-being.
>Improvement in sleep disorders, better quality of
>sleep.
>Improved exercise tolerance.
>Improved mineral balance.
>Improved mood, with less depression and fatigue.
>Improved heart and kidney function.
>
>
>In one study, physicians studied men between the ages
>of 61 and 80 who were overweight. These men did not
>alter their diet, exercise, or smoking habits. When
>they were given HGH, they gained an average of 8.8% in
>lean muscle mass while losing 14% of their body fat.
>They experienced localized increases in bone density
>and their skin became thicker and firmer. The subjects
>of this study reversed these parameters of aging by
>10-20 years!
>
>
>Month-by-Month Improvements:
>
>
>First Month: Improved stamina, better and sounder
>sleep, vivid dreams, feeling more refreshed upon
>awakening, increased energy, more optimistic attitude
>and a better sense of humor.
>
>Second Month: Improved muscle tone, improved nail
>growth, increased strength, weight loss, enhanced
>sexual function, improved skin tone, better digestion,
>and better eyesight, especially night vision.
>
>Third Month: More improved muscle tone, hair
>re-growth, increased sexual desire, less pain,
>improvement in mental processes, faster wound recovery
>and less muscle soreness, reduction in PMS symptoms,
>greater body flexibility, and alleviation of some
>menopausal symptoms
>
>Fourth Month: Heightened and more consistent
>improvements, as listed above.
>
>Fifth Month: Impressive weight loss / inch reduction,
>thickening of skin and greater elasticity, thickening
>of hair with a shiny, health appearance, improvement
>in skin texture/appearance, and reduction of wrinkles.
>
>Sixth Month: Cellulite greatly diminishes, eyesight
>greatly improves, stronger resistance to colds, flu
>and other illnesses, old wounds are healing or have
>healed, grayed hair begins to return to natural color,
>blood pressure normalizes, body is much more
>contoured, emotional stability is improved, some pain
>and soreness disappear, exercise tolerance is
>increased, LDL and triglycerides are reduced, heart
>rate improves, and immune system improves.
>
>
>Questions
>
>What is Human Growth Hormone (HGH)?
>HGH is produced by the pituitary gland in large
>amounts when we are young, but secretion falls off
>sharply as we age. Human Growth Hormone promotes
>tissue repair, cell regeneration in the bones, muscles
>and vital organs, and supports the immune system in
>combating infection and disease. HGH achieves this by
>improving movement of amino acids (the building blocks
>of cells and muscles) across cell membranes. As the
>body’s cells die off, HGH ensures that replacement
>cells are healthy and readily available. HGH Factor
>supplementation supports the body’s ability to
>self-repair and to delay the aging process.
>
>Why haven’t I heard much about HGH before?
>The reason most people have never heard of HGH before
>is because its cost ($1000-$3000 plus per month) and
>its administration (injections by prescription only)
>have limited its exposure to the medical profession,
>the wealthy and celebrities. The real HGH is only
>available at pharmacy only, if you can find HGH at
>local health store such as GNC or other similar
>stores, then they are definitely fake !
>
>Is HGH therapy safe?
>Yes. HGH has been used in the medical community for
>over three decades with success and has over 60 years
>of study. Normal HGH use has not been attributed to a
>single death. Edmond Chein, M.D., and L. Cass Terry,
>Ph.D., tested over 800 individuals over the age of 40
>and reported in their 1995 study that when used
>correctly, HGH had substantial benefits and no side
>effects.
>
>Who should NOT take this product?
>We normally recommend HGH supplementation for people
>in their 30’s because that is the age where normally
>your natural production falls off dramatically. HGH is
>not intended for use by persons under 21 years old,
>pregnant woman, those who have or have had cancer. If
>you fit into any of these categories, we recommend
>reviewing the ingredients with your doctor before
>taking this product.
>
>As intelligent individuals, each one of us must decide
>this for him or herself. But if you’re over 30 and
>experiencing problems that didn’t exist 10 years ago,
>maybe these problems are associated with decreased
>levels of human growth hormone in your blood. By age
>30 that level is about one third of what it used to be
>at age 18. For most people the age of 18 was a time
>when we took our health for granted. But by the time
>we reach 30 we may be overweight, lacking energy, etc.
>
>With decreasing levels of HGH as we age, is it a
>wonder things seem to get worse with time? The
>following table displays the normal level of HGH in
>the body measured in nanograms/milliliter of blood. As
>you can see, there is a dramatic difference between
>that of an 18 year old and anyone older than 30 (1000
>vs.325). It’s no wonder we start going downhill in our
>30’s.
>
>
>AGE NORMAL HGH LEVEL
>
>18 yrs 1000 nanograms/ml
>20 yrs 775 nanograms/ml
>25 yrs 500 nanograms/ml
>30 yrs 375 nanograms/ml
>35 yrs 325 nanograms/ml
>40 yrs 300 nanograms/ml
>85 yrs 225 nanograms/ml
>
>
>
>
>
>
>1. Please identify and describe yourself:
>Name: Ellis Toussier Bigio
>Year of Birth: 1945 Age: 54
>Sex: Male
>Height 1.80 meters, 5'11.5"
>Weight 154 lbs., 70 kilos
>
>2. Why did you want to take HGH?
>In June, 1998 I looked at myself in the mirror, and
>felt
>depressed that I was looking pretty bad... many
>wrinkles, crows
>feet around my eyes, cheeks beginning to sag. I also
>felt I
>was going downhill, in energy, etc. I knew about
>growth hormone
>because I had read Durk Pearson's "Life Extension" and
>read an
>article that appeared in 1992 or early 1993 about
>growth hormone
>in Life Magazine and I had been taking Durk Pearson
>and Sandy
>Shaw's "Be Your Best" which contains 6 grams of
>arginine per
>serving, for three years, 1992 and 1993 and 1994.
>
>3. What changes do you feel after taking HGH for a
>while?
>I felt good immediately, since the first day. I felt
>optimistic, and a
>bit more energetic. I stopped feeling gloomy about the
>economy, I felt more
>like starting new things, like I had when I was
>younger. The first physical
>changes began to be noticeable after about two weeks,
>slightly...
>my face began to look slightly younger, the skin was
>tightening up...
>Then I lost about 1 kilo per month, for 6 months, most
>noticeably
>around my belly. My wrinkles began to disappear, and
>my crows feet were
>completely gone by month 4 or 5... the skin of my
>hands tightened
>up and the dryness in the skin disappeared.
>
>4. What body/mind measurements have changed since you
>started
>taking HGH (e.g. "Tricep diameter increased from 20
>inches
>to 30 inches")?
>I didn't take measurements with a ruler, but I lost 2
>or 3
>inches of waistline, as measured by my pants. My chest
>got a
>line. My biceps grew, but I haven't measured them. I
>am not a
>body builder or an athlete, and it never occurred to
>me to measure
>them. I am still thin, and I like it like this, but
>many persons
>on this board, for example Marty, and John, who have
>come to Mexico,
>have inspired me to do more exercise, which I do, but
>not to become
>very big, just to feel better.
>
>HDL cholesterol before/after: don't know. Total was
>about 220. (I will confirm)
>LDL cholesterol before/after: don't know. Total is
>about 170. (I will confirm.)
>blood pressure before/after: before, about 120/80
>120/70; after, about 100/60 90/60
>
>For how long can you hold your breath?:
>I held my breath for 1 minute and 50 seconds when
>challenged by
>my friends... Since then I have held it for 1 minute
>and 30
>seconds many times, as a demonstration, but I don't
>want to hold
>it for 1 minute and 50 seconds any more because I am
>afraid it isn't
>good for my brain. I swam underwater for about 35
>meters, in a
>swimming pool 25 meters long. To me, the importance of
>this is
>that it indicates my lungs are processing oxygen like
>a young man.
>
>5. What product(s) did/do you use, and for how long
>(e.g. "WonderHGH, for 5 months, starting May 1999")?
>Humatrope, by Eli Lilly, 1 i.u. per day (the
>measurement has
>changed... it used to be 6 i.u.'s per week, same
>amount is now
>about 7 i.u.'s per week.) continuously since June,
>1998. I
>began taking 2 i.u.'s 3 times per week following the
>indications
>of Daniel Rudman's experiment of 1990, then I read
>"Grow Young
>on HGH" by Dr. Ronald Klatz and decided to change to 1
>i.u. 6
>days per week, then 1/2 i.u. twice per day 6 days per
>week,
>then a little less than 1/2 i.u. 14 times per week, in
>the new
>measurement now equivalent to 1 i.u. per day, every
>day. When
>Humatrope ran out of stock for a few weeks, I bought
>Norditropin,
>by Novo Nordisk. I found it is identical in its
>effect, and I
>suppose it is the same potency but I have not proven
>this with
>blood tests. It is slightly more expensive than
>Humatrope, but
>I think it is identical in its result. Recently I took
>2 i.u.'s
>per day for about 1 month, then I dropped to 1.5 i.u.
>per day
>for the past month (only because of the cost.) After
>this
>experience, I think 2 i.u.'s per day is probably a
>very safe
>dose without any danger of side effects.
>
>6. Have you noticed any side effects? If so, what are
>they?
>None bad that I have noticed.
>
>7. Where did you hear about HGH?
>I read about it in Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw's "Life
>Extension" then in an article about it in Life
>Magazine, in
>1992, which mentioned the El Dorado clinic in Mexico.
>I didn't
>know where it was, and never found it, or I might have
>started
>taking rHGH in 1993.
>
>8. Where do you buy your Human Growth Hormone?
>I started to buy it in a pharmacy, and once I knew I
>was going
>to take it for a very long time, I looked for and
>found a
>wholesale supplier in Mexico City (an approved
>distributor of
>Eli Lilly) that would sell to me.
>
>9. How much does it cost you?
>About $180 wholesale price, for Humatrope 15 i.u.'s or
>$178
>wholesale price for Norditropin, 12 i.u.'s. List price
>of
>Humatrope is about $180 dollars for 15 i.u.'s. (exact
>cost in
>dollars depends on peso/dollar parity)
>
>10. Are you under a doctor's supervision.
>Now I am. At first I was not.
>
>11. What do you see as the risks of HGH?
>None. To me it is only good, nothing bad, and I have
>never read
>any report by anybody that has had any bad side
>effects taking
>1 i.u. or 2 i.u.'s per day. I have read of body
>builders taking
>up to 20 i.u.'s per day, and getting acromegaly, but
>that is
>crazy, in my opinion. Trooper, who corresponded with
>us at the
>beginning of this board, was taking 15 i.u.'s every
>other day,
>prescribed to him by his doctor, and was having
>terrible pains, in his
>words, but very good in every other way for his immune
>system and
>his physical appearance. As soon as he mentioned how
>much he was taking,
>Jay Caplan and I jumped! After receiving our opinion,
>he cut down
>the dose to about 5 i.u.'s per day, and the pains
>disappeared. We have
>not heard from Trooper in many months, so I cannot
>tell you how
>he has been.
>
>12. Has HGH met your expectations or not? Explain.
>It has made me feel much better, even though I was not
>sick to begin
>with. I have more energy, I think more positive, like
>when I was young... I look better, which is probably a
>sign of
>good health and... I like to look better and younger.
>
>13. What was your baseline IGF-1 measurement before
>HGH
>treatment?
>I never measured my baseline IGF-1, because I started
>without being
>under the supervision of a doctor. I do not recommend
>what I did
>as a good example to follow... but it was not
>dangerous, per se, not
>to know my baseline figure, since there is probably no
>baseline figure
>that would convince me not to take rHGH, at age 52,
>(I knew I was standing on the edge of a cliff. I knew
>that what
>was in store for me was a rather rapid physical
>decline, like my
>father and my grandfather and my great-grandfather,
>before me.)
>Dr. Klatz's book, chapter 3 (GH Therapy in 202 Adults)
>page 34,
>Dr. Chein and Terry report the average IGF-1 baseline
>level of 42
>adults was 238.8, and increased to 384.5 after
>starting rHGH
>replacement therapy, but the book doesn't clarify what
>was the
>dose they received, nor does it clarify what was the
>average age
>of this group of persons.
>
>14. What is your baseline IGF-1 measurement now?
>My first IGF-1 result (taken at the insistence of my
>doctor) was
>360 ng/ml about 5 weeks after I had started. After I
>got this
>result, and after I had corresponded with Dr. James
>Hughes on
>some board, I decided to try to get my level up to
>IGF-1 = 500 ng/ml
>so I increased the dose to 1.5 i.u.'s per day (with my
>doctor's
>approval). Instead of going UP, my result went DOWN to
>270 ng/ml!!!
>I was very disappointed with this result. I wrote to
>Lazarus
>Long/Howard Turney who told me that IGF-1 results are
>not very
>reliable, and that I should continue if I am feeling
>well and
>getting results. I have not taken any more tests since
>then,
>but I will take another one soon.
>
>15. When and how much HGH do you take? Describe your
>treatment strategy?
>Currently I am taking 1.5 i.u. per day, one dose in
>the morning,
>plus 3.4 grams of l-glutamine one dose in the morning
>(separately from the rHGH, and on an empty stomach) or
>at
>night. I also am taking EDTA Chelation therapy to
>reduce levels
>of toxic metals from my body, according to the
>protocol of
>Dr. Elmer Cranton, administered here in Mexico City by
>my
>doctor. I also take a small amount of Deprenyl
>(selegiline) and
>Piracetam to help keep my brain from losing neurons,
>and so that it
>gets more oxygen and nutrients, which might also be
>the cause of loss
>of neurons. My complete regimen includes excellent
>nutrition, a lot
>of vitamins, and exercise.
>
>16. Do you replace any other hormones? Which?
>I take melatonin and DHEA. I do not replace
>testosterone, because I tested high, and I do not
>replace thyroid, because I am thin, and I suppose I
>have a good level. I have also taken pregnenolone, and
>recently I started taking androstenedione with
>tribulus, (and saw palmetto.)
>
>17. Any advice for a person under 40 wanting to take
>HGH?
>If you take more than 1 i.u. per day, you should
>monitor your
>results. Even if IGF-1 tests are not very accurate, if
>you are
>taking a dose higher than 1 i.u. you must take a blood
>test to
>be certain you are not in the vicinity of 1000 ng/ml.
>I agree
>with Dr. James Hughes's recommendation that IGF-1
>between 350
>and 500 is a good level to aim for, and if you are
>very young
>and also an athlete maybe you are o.k. with a result
>of 750
>ng/ml. After this level, you risk getting the side
>effects, of
>which the worst are carpal tunnel syndrome and the
>absolute worse,
>acromegaly (Gigantism, or Giantism.)
>
>18. Any advice for a person over 40 wanting to take
>HGH?
>Run... don't walk... to the nearest anti-aging doctor,
>get a
>prescription, and start taking rHGH as soon as you
>can! If you
>cannot afford it, or if you are afraid of possible
>side effects,
>of if you are afraid of the injection, or you can't
>get a
>prescription, then start taking amino acids to help
>release
>some growth hormone from your own pituitary. This is
>probably
>less effective than taking rHGH by sub-cutaneous
>injection, but
>better than doing nothing. It is easier to keep your
>body
>repaired than to repair it after the damage has been
>done.
>I have reversed all of the signs of aging in my body
>to some
>degree, but the one that I have reversed the least is
>my
>apparent age... my face... I look maybe 45 years old,
>although I feel like when I was 25 or 30. The skin on
>my face
>looks better, and tighter, not as dry, with fewer
>wrinkles...
>but the muscles that started to droop on my cheeks
>will
>probably never go back to their place, without plastic
>surgery,
>which I am not going to have done anytime soon...
>On the other hand, I am glad I started to take action
>at age 52,
>and that I didn't wait until age 62, or 72. Looking
>like I am 45
>is better than looking my age, 54, so I am pleased and
>very
>grateful for this. - Ellis Toussier, Sept. 1999

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>ATHLETIC FIELD (SPRINTER, TRACK-AND-FIELD, MARATHON,
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>Erythropoietin (pronounced, ah-rith-ro-poy-tin, and
>abbreviated, EPO) is a relatively recent entry into
>the deceitful pursuit of glory. EPO is a protein
>hormone produced by the kidney. After being released
>into the blood stream it binds with receptors in the
>bone marrow, where it stimulates the production of red
>blood cells (erythrocytes). Medically, EPO is used to
>treat certain forms of anemia (e.g., due to chronic
>kidney failure). Logically, since EPO accelerates
>erythrocyte production it also increases oxygen
>carrying capacity. This fact did not long escape
>notice of the athletic community.
>
>Blood doping is the process of artificially increasing
>the amount of red blood cells in the body in an
>attempt to improve athletic performance. In the past
>this was accomplished by transfusion. The athlete
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>weeks later, after the body had completely replaced
>the blood loss, transfuse the unit back into the body.
>This would occur just before a big race, effectively
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>for messy transfusions, just shoot up with EPO to
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>recently accurate testing has been difficult because
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>identical to the naturally occurring form and there
>are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the
>body. Thus, over the past 10 – 15 years some athletes
>chose to cheat because, as long as they kept their
>hematocrit levels below 50%, there seemed little risk
>of getting caught.
>
>EPO is an injectable protein hormone that acts on
>bone marrow to stimulate red blood cell production.
>This is a new drug which is being experimented with by
>some elite athletes especially distance runners and
>elite cyclists. It has been very effective for what
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>doping. EPO does the same thing but is more
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>number of injections. Blood doping requires drawing
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>thawing it and reinfusing it several weeks later. EPO
>has a dramatic effect on hematocrit which is the
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>
>Effective Dose: Between 50-300 IU/kg of bodyweight.
>Not to be used for more than 6 weeks. Will start
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>Users of Methyl 1-Test should be aware that joints and
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>
>When taking methyl 1-test, it is best to start out
>with at least a week at a dose of 5-10 mg to see how
>one reacts. Many users find this range to be
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>mg. It comes down to the experience, goals, and
>individual reaction. Many find a lower dose to be just
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>
>Always check with a physician before taking any
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>
>
>HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE FOR FATLOSS AND ANTI-AGING /
>REJUVENATION
>
>
>Benefits of HGH replacement by injection reported in
>the medical literature are described below. Benefits
>are gradually achieved over three to twelve months
>(depend on the dosage) after restoring growth hormone
>levels in older patients to normal levels for a
>healthy young adult. Benefits may continue to
>increase for up to 18 months or more after beginning
>therapy.
>
> It’s scientifically well proven that secretion
>of growth hormone by the pituitary gland decreases
>progressively with age. Starting after adolescence,
>secretion of growth hormone steadily declines until
>the amount present in older people is a small fraction
>of younger levels, often less than 10%. This is one
>cause of many adverse effects of aging, including the
>following:
>
>1) 5% increase in fat with each 10 years of life
>
>2) Decreases in muscle strength, skin thickness, bone
>density, physical endurance, mental ability, and
>immune defenses
>
>3) Skin wrinkles
>
>4) Osteoporosis
>
>5) Alzheimer’s dementia
>
>6) Senility
>
>7) Obesity
>
>8) Fatigue
>
>9) Muscle and organ atrophy
>
>10) And other age-related conditions, which have been
>reported to improve with HGH replacement therapy.
>
>
>Benefits of using HGH Injection are reported in
>published studies include:
>
>15% average decrease in fat.
>8% average increase in muscle and lean body structures.
>Improved skin texture resulting in a more youthful
>appearance.
>Fewer skin wrinkles.
>Increased bone density, reversal of osteoporosis.
>Faster healing of any type of injury, fracture, or
>wound.
>Greatly enhanced immunity and resistance to infection.
>Enhanced brain function, retention of intellect with
>aging.
>Improvement in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s syndromes.
>Improved sex drive.
>Improvement in overall physical and mental well-being.
>Improvement in sleep disorders, better quality of
>sleep.
>Improved exercise tolerance.
>Improved mineral balance.
>Improved mood, with less depression and fatigue.
>Improved heart and kidney function.
>
>
>In one study, physicians studied men between the ages
>of 61 and 80 who were overweight. These men did not
>alter their diet, exercise, or smoking habits. When
>they were given HGH, they gained an average of 8.8% in
>lean muscle mass while losing 14% of their body fat.
>They experienced localized increases in bone density
>and their skin became thicker and firmer. The subjects
>of this study reversed these parameters of aging by
>10-20 years!
>
>
>Month-by-Month Improvements:
>
>
>First Month: Improved stamina, better and sounder
>sleep, vivid dreams, feeling more refreshed upon
>awakening, increased energy, more optimistic attitude
>and a better sense of humor.
>
>Second Month: Improved muscle tone, improved nail
>growth, increased strength, weight loss, enhanced
>sexual function, improved skin tone, better digestion,
>and better eyesight, especially night vision.
>
>Third Month: More improved muscle tone, hair
>re-growth, increased sexual desire, less pain,
>improvement in mental processes, faster wound recovery
>and less muscle soreness, reduction in PMS symptoms,
>greater body flexibility, and alleviation of some
>menopausal symptoms
>
>Fourth Month: Heightened and more consistent
>improvements, as listed above.
>
>Fifth Month: Impressive weight loss / inch reduction,
>thickening of skin and greater elasticity, thickening
>of hair with a shiny, health appearance, improvement
>in skin texture/appearance, and reduction of wrinkles.
>
>Sixth Month: Cellulite greatly diminishes, eyesight
>greatly improves, stronger resistance to colds, flu
>and other illnesses, old wounds are healing or have
>healed, grayed hair begins to return to natural color,
>blood pressure normalizes, body is much more
>contoured, emotional stability is improved, some pain
>and soreness disappear, exercise tolerance is
>increased, LDL and triglycerides are reduced, heart
>rate improves, and immune system improves.
>
>
>Questions
>
>What is Human Growth Hormone (HGH)?
>HGH is produced by the pituitary gland in large
>amounts when we are young, but secretion falls off
>sharply as we age. Human Growth Hormone promotes
>tissue repair, cell regeneration in the bones, muscles
>and vital organs, and supports the immune system in
>combating infection and disease. HGH achieves this by
>improving movement of amino acids (the building blocks
>of cells and muscles) across cell membranes. As the
>body’s cells die off, HGH ensures that replacement
>cells are healthy and readily available. HGH Factor
>supplementation supports the body’s ability to
>self-repair and to delay the aging process.
>
>Why haven’t I heard much about HGH before?
>The reason most people have never heard of HGH before
>is because its cost ($1000-$3000 plus per month) and
>its administration (injections by prescription only)
>have limited its exposure to the medical profession,
>the wealthy and celebrities. The real HGH is only
>available at pharmacy only, if you can find HGH at
>local health store such as GNC or other similar
>stores, then they are definitely fake !
>
>Is HGH therapy safe?
>Yes. HGH has been used in the medical community for
>over three decades with success and has over 60 years
>of study. Normal HGH use has not been attributed to a
>single death. Edmond Chein, M.D., and L. Cass Terry,
>Ph.D., tested over 800 individuals over the age of 40
>and reported in their 1995 study that when used
>correctly, HGH had substantial benefits and no side
>effects.
>
>Who should NOT take this product?
>We normally recommend HGH supplementation for people
>in their 30’s because that is the age where normally
>your natural production falls off dramatically. HGH is
>not intended for use by persons under 21 years old,
>pregnant woman, those who have or have had cancer. If
>you fit into any of these categories, we recommend
>reviewing the ingredients with your doctor before
>taking this product.
>
>As intelligent individuals, each one of us must decide
>this for him or herself. But if you’re over 30 and
>experiencing problems that didn’t exist 10 years ago,
>maybe these problems are associated with decreased
>levels of human growth hormone in your blood. By age
>30 that level is about one third of what it used to be
>at age 18. For most people the age of 18 was a time
>when we took our health for granted. But by the time
>we reach 30 we may be overweight, lacking energy, etc.
>
>With decreasing levels of HGH as we age, is it a
>wonder things seem to get worse with time? The
>following table displays the normal level of HGH in
>the body measured in nanograms/milliliter of blood. As
>you can see, there is a dramatic difference between
>that of an 18 year old and anyone older than 30 (1000
>vs.325). It’s no wonder we start going downhill in our
>30’s.
>
>
>AGE NORMAL HGH LEVEL
>
>18 yrs 1000 nanograms/ml
>20 yrs 775 nanograms/ml
>25 yrs 500 nanograms/ml
>30 yrs 375 nanograms/ml
>35 yrs 325 nanograms/ml
>40 yrs 300 nanograms/ml
>85 yrs 225 nanograms/ml
>
>
>
>
>
>
>1. Please identify and describe yourself:
>Name: Ellis Toussier Bigio
>Year of Birth: 1945 Age: 54
>Sex: Male
>Height 1.80 meters, 5'11.5"
>Weight 154 lbs., 70 kilos
>
>2. Why did you want to take HGH?
>In June, 1998 I looked at myself in the mirror, and
>felt
>depressed that I was looking pretty bad... many
>wrinkles, crows
>feet around my eyes, cheeks beginning to sag. I also
>felt I
>was going downhill, in energy, etc. I knew about
>growth hormone
>because I had read Durk Pearson's "Life Extension" and
>read an
>article that appeared in 1992 or early 1993 about
>growth hormone
>in Life Magazine and I had been taking Durk Pearson
>and Sandy
>Shaw's "Be Your Best" which contains 6 grams of
>arginine per
>serving, for three years, 1992 and 1993 and 1994.
>
>3. What changes do you feel after taking HGH for a
>while?
>I felt good immediately, since the first day. I felt
>optimistic, and a
>bit more energetic. I stopped feeling gloomy about the
>economy, I felt more
>like starting new things, like I had when I was
>younger. The first physical
>changes began to be noticeable after about two weeks,
>slightly...
>my face began to look slightly younger, the skin was
>tightening up...
>Then I lost about 1 kilo per month, for 6 months, most
>noticeably
>around my belly. My wrinkles began to disappear, and
>my crows feet were
>completely gone by month 4 or 5... the skin of my
>hands tightened
>up and the dryness in the skin disappeared.
>
>4. What body/mind measurements have changed since you
>started
>taking HGH (e.g. "Tricep diameter increased from 20
>inches
>to 30 inches")?
>I didn't take measurements with a ruler, but I lost 2
>or 3
>inches of waistline, as measured by my pants. My chest
>got a
>line. My biceps grew, but I haven't measured them. I
>am not a
>body builder or an athlete, and it never occurred to
>me to measure
>them. I am still thin, and I like it like this, but
>many persons
>on this board, for example Marty, and John, who have
>come to Mexico,
>have inspired me to do more exercise, which I do, but
>not to become
>very big, just to feel better.
>
>HDL cholesterol before/after: don't know. Total was
>about 220. (I will confirm)
>LDL cholesterol before/after: don't know. Total is
>about 170. (I will confirm.)
>blood pressure before/after: before, about 120/80
>120/70; after, about 100/60 90/60
>
>For how long can you hold your breath?:
>I held my breath for 1 minute and 50 seconds when
>challenged by
>my friends... Since then I have held it for 1 minute
>and 30
>seconds many times, as a demonstration, but I don't
>want to hold
>it for 1 minute and 50 seconds any more because I am
>afraid it isn't
>good for my brain. I swam underwater for about 35
>meters, in a
>swimming pool 25 meters long. To me, the importance of
>this is
>that it indicates my lungs are processing oxygen like
>a young man.
>
>5. What product(s) did/do you use, and for how long
>(e.g. "WonderHGH, for 5 months, starting May 1999")?
>Humatrope, by Eli Lilly, 1 i.u. per day (the
>measurement has
>changed... it used to be 6 i.u.'s per week, same
>amount is now
>about 7 i.u.'s per week.) continuously since June,
>1998. I
>began taking 2 i.u.'s 3 times per week following the
>indications
>of Daniel Rudman's experiment of 1990, then I read
>"Grow Young
>on HGH" by Dr. Ronald Klatz and decided to change to 1
>i.u. 6
>days per week, then 1/2 i.u. twice per day 6 days per
>week,
>then a little less than 1/2 i.u. 14 times per week, in
>the new
>measurement now equivalent to 1 i.u. per day, every
>day. When
>Humatrope ran out of stock for a few weeks, I bought
>Norditropin,
>by Novo Nordisk. I found it is identical in its
>effect, and I
>suppose it is the same potency but I have not proven
>this with
>blood tests. It is slightly more expensive than
>Humatrope, but
>I think it is identical in its result. Recently I took
>2 i.u.'s
>per day for about 1 month, then I dropped to 1.5 i.u.
>per day
>for the past month (only because of the cost.) After
>this
>experience, I think 2 i.u.'s per day is probably a
>very safe
>dose without any danger of side effects.
>
>6. Have you noticed any side effects? If so, what are
>they?
>None bad that I have noticed.
>
>7. Where did you hear about HGH?
>I read about it in Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw's "Life
>Extension" then in an article about it in Life
>Magazine, in
>1992, which mentioned the El Dorado clinic in Mexico.
>I didn't
>know where it was, and never found it, or I might have
>started
>taking rHGH in 1993.
>
>8. Where do you buy your Human Growth Hormone?
>I started to buy it in a pharmacy, and once I knew I
>was going
>to take it for a very long time, I looked for and
>found a
>wholesale supplier in Mexico City (an approved
>distributor of
>Eli Lilly) that would sell to me.
>
>9. How much does it cost you?
>About $180 wholesale price, for Humatrope 15 i.u.'s or
>$178
>wholesale price for Norditropin, 12 i.u.'s. List price
>of
>Humatrope is about $180 dollars for 15 i.u.'s. (exact
>cost in
>dollars depends on peso/dollar parity)
>
>10. Are you under a doctor's supervision.
>Now I am. At first I was not.
>
>11. What do you see as the risks of HGH?
>None. To me it is only good, nothing bad, and I have
>never read
>any report by anybody that has had any bad side
>effects taking
>1 i.u. or 2 i.u.'s per day. I have read of body
>builders taking
>up to 20 i.u.'s per day, and getting acromegaly, but
>that is
>crazy, in my opinion. Trooper, who corresponded with
>us at the
>beginning of this board, was taking 15 i.u.'s every
>other day,
>prescribed to him by his doctor, and was having
>terrible pains, in his
>words, but very good in every other way for his immune
>system and
>his physical appearance. As soon as he mentioned how
>much he was taking,
>Jay Caplan and I jumped! After receiving our opinion,
>he cut down
>the dose to about 5 i.u.'s per day, and the pains
>disappeared. We have
>not heard from Trooper in many months, so I cannot
>tell you how
>he has been.
>
>12. Has HGH met your expectations or not? Explain.
>It has made me feel much better, even though I was not
>sick to begin
>with. I have more energy, I think more positive, like
>when I was young... I look better, which is probably a
>sign of
>good health and... I like to look better and younger.
>
>13. What was your baseline IGF-1 measurement before
>HGH
>treatment?
>I never measured my baseline IGF-1, because I started
>without being
>under the supervision of a doctor. I do not recommend
>what I did
>as a good example to follow... but it was not
>dangerous, per se, not
>to know my baseline figure, since there is probably no
>baseline figure
>that would convince me not to take rHGH, at age 52,
>(I knew I was standing on the edge of a cliff. I knew
>that what
>was in store for me was a rather rapid physical
>decline, like my
>father and my grandfather and my great-grandfather,
>before me.)
>Dr. Klatz's book, chapter 3 (GH Therapy in 202 Adults)
>page 34,
>Dr. Chein and Terry report the average IGF-1 baseline
>level of 42
>adults was 238.8, and increased to 384.5 after
>starting rHGH
>replacement therapy, but the book doesn't clarify what
>was the
>dose they received, nor does it clarify what was the
>average age
>of this group of persons.
>
>14. What is your baseline IGF-1 measurement now?
>My first IGF-1 result (taken at the insistence of my
>doctor) was
>360 ng/ml about 5 weeks after I had started. After I
>got this
>result, and after I had corresponded with Dr. James
>Hughes on
>some board, I decided to try to get my level up to
>IGF-1 = 500 ng/ml
>so I increased the dose to 1.5 i.u.'s per day (with my
>doctor's
>approval). Instead of going UP, my result went DOWN to
>270 ng/ml!!!
>I was very disappointed with this result. I wrote to
>Lazarus
>Long/Howard Turney who told me that IGF-1 results are
>not very
>reliable, and that I should continue if I am feeling
>well and
>getting results. I have not taken any more tests since
>then,
>but I will take another one soon.
>
>15. When and how much HGH do you take? Describe your
>treatment strategy?
>Currently I am taking 1.5 i.u. per day, one dose in
>the morning,
>plus 3.4 grams of l-glutamine one dose in the morning
>(separately from the rHGH, and on an empty stomach) or
>at
>night. I also am taking EDTA Chelation therapy to
>reduce levels
>of toxic metals from my body, according to the
>protocol of
>Dr. Elmer Cranton, administered here in Mexico City by
>my
>doctor. I also take a small amount of Deprenyl
>(selegiline) and
>Piracetam to help keep my brain from losing neurons,
>and so that it
>gets more oxygen and nutrients, which might also be
>the cause of loss
>of neurons. My complete regimen includes excellent
>nutrition, a lot
>of vitamins, and exercise.
>
>16. Do you replace any other hormones? Which?
>I take melatonin and DHEA. I do not replace
>testosterone, because I tested high, and I do not
>replace thyroid, because I am thin, and I suppose I
>have a good level. I have also taken pregnenolone, and
>recently I started taking androstenedione with
>tribulus, (and saw palmetto.)
>
>17. Any advice for a person under 40 wanting to take
>HGH?
>If you take more than 1 i.u. per day, you should
>monitor your
>results. Even if IGF-1 tests are not very accurate, if
>you are
>taking a dose higher than 1 i.u. you must take a blood
>test to
>be certain you are not in the vicinity of 1000 ng/ml.
>I agree
>with Dr. James Hughes's recommendation that IGF-1
>between 350
>and 500 is a good level to aim for, and if you are
>very young
>and also an athlete maybe you are o.k. with a result
>of 750
>ng/ml. After this level, you risk getting the side
>effects, of
>which the worst are carpal tunnel syndrome and the
>absolute worse,
>acromegaly (Gigantism, or Giantism.)
>
>18. Any advice for a person over 40 wanting to take
>HGH?
>Run... don't walk... to the nearest anti-aging doctor,
>get a
>prescription, and start taking rHGH as soon as you
>can! If you
>cannot afford it, or if you are afraid of possible
>side effects,
>of if you are afraid of the injection, or you can't
>get a
>prescription, then start taking amino acids to help
>release
>some growth hormone from your own pituitary. This is
>probably
>less effective than taking rHGH by sub-cutaneous
>injection, but
>better than doing nothing. It is easier to keep your
>body
>repaired than to repair it after the damage has been
>done.
>I have reversed all of the signs of aging in my body
>to some
>degree, but the one that I have reversed the least is
>my
>apparent age... my face... I look maybe 45 years old,
>although I feel like when I was 25 or 30. The skin on
>my face
>looks better, and tighter, not as dry, with fewer
>wrinkles...
>but the muscles that started to droop on my cheeks
>will
>probably never go back to their place, without plastic
>surgery,
>which I am not going to have done anytime soon...
>On the other hand, I am glad I started to take action
>at age 52,
>and that I didn't wait until age 62, or 72. Looking
>like I am 45
>is better than looking my age, 54, so I am pleased and
>very
>grateful for this. - Ellis Toussier, Sept. 1999


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