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Date Posted: Saturday, May 03, 04:18:29am
Author: Lij
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Subject: HANNIBAL just uncomplicated itself into obscurity.....

Ok... I guess they felt like the show would get a third season. And having a companion for Hannibal almost on his own level would be the way to go. But as a fly-fisherman I am just as peaved as the lesbians were about Tara being killed as seeing fellow fly-fisherman Will going to the dark side.

Or are we going to find out that it's all some sort of fake-out of Hannibal?

At any rate, I liked the show better with the tension. This Will-Hannibal (Winnabal) pair-bonding over a meal of the recent kill is sickening.

The music even went from harsh to almost enjoyable. How sick is that?

/sarcasm

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[> Good line! -- Chani, Saturday, May 03, 07:34:33am (89-156-8-80.rev.numericable.fr/89.156.8.80)

I'm pretty sure that both Chilton and Freddie Lounds are alive, that Jack and Will staged the meeting with Alana and Hannibal about Freddie's last call, and that the bonding is all part of the game, from Will's side.

The only line that Will crossed is that he did eat that meat, but I guess that unlike Hannibal who must believe that he's eating Freddie ("you slice the ginger"!)we're supposed to believe it was from Randall's body, hence the frozen bits Freddie found?

Will thought it was the only way to convince Hannibal that he had joined him. Of course he knows that it isn't his first cannibal meal, but this time he provided the meat and knew what he was eating. And didn't throw up!

Unless somehow Jack was in the know (it's hard to believe that he gave Will free reign, even though I'm sure that Will does keep stuff to himself)and the FBI team had the skills to fool Hannibal's palate? Is it possible to "treat" veal or pork and makes it taste human?

It could be like the fake human that Verger's guy used to train the pigs...a meat in disguise, that tasted like human but wasn't exactly what it was said to be.

Maybe that was the point of playing the theremin too, since it's

Will is ready to go very far in order to lure his fish, so it's entirely possible that it really was human meat, though.

I didn't expect Margot to decide to get impregnated by Will, though. But she too used a trick to get what she wanted, crossing a big line, given that she's supposed to not be attracted by men. Not that a lesbian having sex with a man equates to Will knowingly eating human flesh!

But she made her legacy using Will, just like Hannibal thinks he's making his by grooming Will.

That said, this was not a very good episode. The show has become obvious and a little ridiculous, either with certain dialogues or certain visuals. The sex scene and its pseudo threesome made me roll my eyes, especially when Alana was being fucked by the wendigo.


But I liked the subtext of Will being in bed with Hannibal/Alana from their conversations much better than the actual visual of Will in bed with them (even if only in his/their head). Subtext turning into text is never a good move!

They obviously want to make the most of their attractive cast, but as much as I enjoy seeing a naked and sweaty Mikkelsen, I prefer good writing to this cheap wannabe artful trick.

I almost wish the show would not be renewed.


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[> Don't read my above post which missed some parts, this one is "cleaner" -- Chani, Saturday, May 03, 08:17:24am (89-156-8-80.rev.numericable.fr/89.156.8.80)

I'm pretty sure now that both Chilton and Freddie Lounds are alive, that Jack and Will staged the meeting with Alana and Hannibal about Freddie's last call to the FBI (and her screaming which totally echoed the recording that Verger played to the pigs in an earlier scene!), and that the Will/Hannibal bonding over killing is all part of the game, from Will's side.

The only line that Will crossed is that he did eat that meat, but I guess that unlike Hannibal who must believe that he's eating Freddie ("you slice the ginger"!)we're supposed to believe it was from Randall's body, hence the frozen bits Freddie found?

Will thought it was the only way to convince Hannibal that he had joined him. Of course he knows that it isn't his first cannibalistic meal, but this time he provided the meat and knew what he was eating. And didn't throw up!

Unless somehow Jack was in the know (it's hard to believe that he gave Will free reign, even though I'm sure that Will does keep stuff to himself)and the FBI team had the skills to fool Hannibal's palate? Is it possible to "treat" veal or pork and makes it taste like human meat?

It could be like the fake human that Verger's guy used to train the pigs...a meat in disguise, that tasted like human but wasn't exactly what it was said to be...

Maybe that was the point of playing the theremin too -- aside from the obvious metaphor of controlling without physical touch, which btw stopped being a meatphor when Alana voiced out the similarity between psychological control and theremin! *sigh*--, since it's supposed to sound like human voice.

Faking was definitely a recurring theme in the episode.

Will is ready to go very far in order to lure his fish, so it's entirely possible that it really was human meat, though.

I didn't expect Margot to decide to get impregnated by Will, though. But she too used a trick to get what she wanted, that is a baby (hopefully a male heir!), crossing a big line, given that she's supposed to not be attracted by men. Not that a lesbian having sex with a man equates to Will knowingly eating human flesh!

But she made her legacy using Will, just like Hannibal thinks he's making his by grooming Will.

I wonder whether Hannibal was aware of Margot's plan and even pushed her into Will's bed...He definitely planted the seed (haha!)of the idea of making her own legacy during their therapy session, and he knew that Margot and Will had met. Is Hannibal playing both Margot and Will into reproduction?

BTW Hannibal turning into a breeder could echo Mason Verger's work with pigs...

In the book Margot wants Mason's sperm to impregnate her lover, but this Margot obviously prefers to have her own baby as a possible Verger heir, and since she recognised Will as a kindred spirit, fucking sperm out of him isn't too far fetched...and mostly served to make the heavy cross sex-scenes.

Now I understand the reason they cast a glamourous woman instead of the butchy body-builder Margot is supposed to be (from Harris' book). They didn't want to put Hugh Dancy in bed with someone who was not good-looking! And she was there to mirror Alana so they had to look alike.


That said, this was not a very good episode. The show has become obvious and a little ridiculous, either with certain dialogues or certain visuals.

The sex scene and its pseudo threesome made me roll my eyes, especially when Alana was being fucked by the wendigo.

I liked the subtext of Will being in bed with Hannibal/Alana from their conversations in previous episodes much more than the actual visual of Will in bed with them (even if only in his/their head). Subtext turning into text is never a good move!

The meal scene was much more interesting, with Hannibal between his two protégés/lovers, especially given that, at some point, Alana seemed to realise they were a marriage à trois, and that the two men shared a stronger connection than her own bond with either of them. Mads' acting was good then, when he looked at her just after Will's response, obviously showing that he agreed with Will, sided with him.

But overall, the show did uncomplicate itself and it's a shame.

They obviously want to make the most of their attractive cast (and yes I admit that the theremin scene was rather sexy), but as much as I enjoy seeing a naked and sweaty Mads Mikkelsen, I prefer good writing over this cheap wannabe artful trick.

No, I didn't like the final shot of Hannibal and Will's face merging into the killer Alana talked about at the dinner table. The whole thing lacked subtlety.

I almost wish the show would not be renewed. :- (


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[> [> Well..... -- Lij, Saturday, May 03, 07:41:48pm (adsl-99-31-13-198.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/99.31.13.198)

Over at: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/hannibal/hannibal-recap-boundaries-are-53461.aspx

The poll: Do you think Will and Jack are planning something?

Yes, definitely: 56%
I'm not sure yet: 26%
No, Will really has gone dark: 14%
None of the above: 4%

Total Votes: 316
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One question I would have is, if Will and Jack are in collusion, then why would the other bits of Randall be in a freezer in Will's barn for Freddie to find?

There is an obvious couple of answers to that.

First, they couldn't transport and store the unused parts (those not dressing the saber-tooth tiger) into the FBI lab because that would mean more FBI collusion than just Jack & Will.

Second, they may have had to "dress" Will's property with stored Randall bits just in case Hannibal wanted to check up on Will. So Will had to incriminate himself further in that respect.

Freddie, then, became the cherry topper which not only seeks to make the audience think Will has killed her, but also Hannibal.

Lastly, I fear for Alana.

And I do hope it comes to a conclusion this year.

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[> Ali (who was a huge fan) finally got around to watching Friday's episode last night. -- AurraSing, Sunday, May 04, 07:11:58pm (d154-20-56-169.bchsia.telus.net/154.20.56.169)

To paraphrase her take on it, " The show jumped the shark and as it was passing over the shark, the shark reached up and disembowled the whole damn thing".

She's been nagging me about my reluctance to watch the series since it started, now she's unhappy about how things ended up. Me, I am nostalgic for the good old days of "Manhunter" when Lecter was simply a cunning genius in a jail cell.


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