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Date Posted: Saturday, September 24, 07:04:20am
Author: Lij
Author Host/IP: adsl-99-14-208-219.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net / 99.14.208.219
Subject: Some interesting screencaps...
In reply to: Lij 's message, "FRINGE" on Friday, September 23, 09:28:06pm

Brain Freeze graffiti - possible clue to upcoming episode title?
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9264/brainfreeze.jpg

The Observer's Object - possible Observer tech which may be the basis for all their devices?
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6264/observerobject.jpg

The Machine in the Bridge-Room (aka Nexus), with Massive Dynamic logo on shack to right - which could be indicative that Nina Sharp's observation about the machine being a William Bell design is true:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9541/themachine.jpg

September's "Erasure Device" unactivated:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1068/sdevice.jpg

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[> Re: FRINGE -- Chani, Saturday, September 24, 07:34:38am (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

I've always loved Lincoln, especially this weird yet charismatic version -- we love our earth-1 characters but people from over there(Altliv, AltLee...) are just less uptight and much cooler, aren't they?-- so the episode worked for me if only because of him.

BTW I wonder if AltLee does exist too. Given AltLiv's reaction I bet he does.

I also loved to see September shopping to make up his rasure device and the fact it had a piece of an old television set (to erase a tv character!!!!!). That said, the device in question looked like something from Doctor Who!

Are The Observers Time Lords?

Walter telling Astrid "I’ll need to check her anus. Have that large lady there help you" was pure FRINGE!

I still have concerns about the whole Peter arc (apparently given what Walter Peter died as a boy "twice", meaning that Walter lost his son, stole Walternate's son but lost Peter again afterwards in this version of Earth-1)but the episode worked.


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[> [> I forgot to mention the Orange credits -- Chani, Saturday, September 24, 07:49:37am (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

between those and the title of the episode, perhaps talking about Earth-1 and Earth-2 is a mistake; they are rather Earth-1' and Earth-2' or Earth-3 and Earth-4.

If so we'd have to change all the names all over again! LOL

Also, the new FRINGE seems to reboot season 1 with Walter being more instable than ever, Olivia being in her post-John Scott frozen state (hence the amber in the credits?), and Lincoln being in Liv's shoes and entering the Fringe team after he lost a partner.

So many echoes...doubles. It's all about reflections, like the woman whose name was Olivia too, or Walter seeing Peter in mirrors.


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[> [> [> Here's a YouTube of the new creds.... -- Lij, Saturday, September 24, 07:38:22pm (adsl-108-67-89-49.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.89.49)

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[> [> Re: FRINGE -- Lij, Saturday, September 24, 08:17:03pm (adsl-108-67-89-49.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.89.49)

You're right about the differences in the teams. And in that first scene with the Olivias, Ourlivia looked so much older with lines in her face than did Fauxlivia who looked almost youthful by comparison.

But I do like the geeky Lincoln Lee. I wonder if Brandonate is still at large in the Redverse or if they locked him up?? It almost sounds like Walternate may have been disgraced and fallen from favor as the Secretary of Defense. At least I have that feeling.

Hahaa... great thought about the erasure of a TV character from time with an electron gun from a TV.

Others on the FRINGE-FORUM board have woven theories around the idea that there may be a time war going on and the Observers have been sent back from the future to protect the time-line leading to their inception. They have been compared then to Time Lords but only in passing.

I think Walter was just getting some vicarious thrills with the 'anus.'

Most over at Fthe FRINGE-FORUM board think Walter stole Peter, but that he might not have been saved by September in this timeline after falling through the ice on Reiden Lake (or Peter may have actually been successful in committing suicide when he was young). It would seem to be true that Walter abducted Peter - Astrid reminding Walter that Walternate has a right to hate Walter - but even that could allude to a new, different zero-event. I have made the point on the FRINGE-FORUM board that we need to see if Nina has a prosthetic or if her arm is whole. No prosthetic could be an indicator that Walter did not cross over to 'save' Peter.
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This episode was a complete reboot of season 1 episode 1 in many ways. They have been pointed out on the FRINGE-FORUM. Even the case was similar and the loss of partner (although Olivia didn't loose John Scott in S1,ep1, although in the new time-line she did!). I pointed out quite early (it was in live-chat during the program) that the theme of the episode was holes or losses in people's lives. But your correct also, echos and reflections. Echos of losses? It was a rather spiritual episode - even and perhaps more importantly for September. He let emotion rule himself (although some say September might be a future version of Peter, I don't like that). I did have the idea that September may have greater insight into the new timeline as he was the one who predicted the loss of Peter. So is he being emotional - and possibly leading to a rift in the Observers (??) - or is September seeing something new?

We'll see!

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[> [> [> Re: FRINGE -- Chani, Sunday, September 25, 05:00:23am (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

No prosthetic could be an indicator that Walter did not cross over to 'save' Peter.

Is that sure? Things could have happened slightly differently. Perhaps Nina didn't have to lose her arm for Walter to cross over this time.

My guess is that Walter still kidnapped Walternate's son and September didn't save that Peter, but maybe the boy managed to commit suicide indeed.

Was there even a William Bell in that alternate reality?


I wonder if there's some kind of chain of command among The Observers. They are still FRINGE's biggest mystery. Hopefully the writers won't screw that up.


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[> [> [> [> No, it is not a sure thing.... -- Lij, Sunday, September 25, 06:33:55am (adsl-99-31-15-247.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/99.31.15.247)

Thus my use of the verb, "could."


In the Redverse William Bell is said to have died in a traffic accident. Which is, I guess, how the Bluverse Bell took his identity. Though I have always had an iffy feeling that our Bell killed off their Bell and took his place.


If there is a chain of command it seems to be based on age which is based in their names. Thus December is the eldest Observer and was giving September orders. The new young guy is known as January.

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[> [> Something I wrote .... elsewhere..... -- Lij, Sunday, September 25, 06:55:24am (adsl-99-31-15-247.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/99.31.15.247)

I get the feeling that the more we know the less we may perceive - something like that. I wonder if September may be thinking along those lines now. Perhaps his knowledge is not enough to guide his perception as to how the timeline should be. Might he even now have come to a conclusion that his own existance is now paradoxical and superfluous? That the natural order need not be what the observers perceive it to be?

This show just blows my mind. We, the audience, are now rewriting the earlier episodes in our minds to fit the facts as we see them in the orange-timeline. FRINGE like any good story has an even greater presence than just the media in which it is presented. That other media being our own minds. Season 4 will see the reconstruction of seasons 1 through 3 as we ourselves retell the story. FRINGE will have doubled the number of previous seasons that have been on by the end of the season; so in effect we are now in season 7.


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