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Date Posted: 17:28:23 07/04/01 Wed
Author: shade
Author Host/IP: 207.193.33.171
Subject: Re: What Hath Love Wrought?
In reply to: Moonchild 's message, "What Hath Love Wrought?" on 12:43:24 07/02/01 Mon

This is very good. I haven't commented until now because I had trouble with a bit of theology:

"What hath love wrought but tear drops?
No man shalt walk in Eden’s garden
Lest he plant forgiveness in anger’s soil."

In my thinking, we don't want to return to Eden, but rather to Golgotha, where Jesus--the second Adam--once again made freedom possible.

Peter Frampton said it on "The Art of Control," an album I wish they'd re-issue in my lifetime because it's been out-of-print and impossible to find forever--"It seems that everyone I know is lost/They don't know the cost/Of living without love.../Finding my way back to Eden."

Going back to Eden in true faith is impossible, I'm afraid. It reminds me of the Don Henley line, "(I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac)/A little voice inside said, 'don't look back, you can never look back.'"

New Agers teach that we can return to Eden by attaining ever higher levels of consciousness, but this is "a form of godliness, denying the power thereof," I fear.

Here's something I really believe, and lots of people think it's weird: when Eve took a bite of the apple, she began to "bleed," shall we say, and that's when they realized they were "naked," with a "loss of innocence," shall we say, and looked for fig leaves to cover themselves.

Since Adam and Eve were "one" as couple, Jesus--as the second Adam--bled again on the cross, and his blood made it possible for us to attain the blissful state that was once a part of Eden, and forever destroyed by Eve's disobedience.

The serpent said (and even Alice Cooper lends credence to this "fairy tale" in the title track of "Brutal Planet"), "Bite the apple and you shall know good from evil; you shall be like God."

It is VERY, VERY possible to learn high and spiritual things through new age methods, but essentially it's the same as partaking of the forbidden fruit all over again.

In a sense, they DID know good from evil, but they realized THEY were evil, not some outside force.

Why? Simply because they didn't do it God's way.

This has been Archie Bunker theology 101 today.


"What hath love wrought but tear drops?
No man shalt walk in Eden’s garden
Lest he plant forgiveness in anger’s soil."

Please plant forgiveness in anger's soil because I've been such a smartass....:)

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