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Date Posted: 13:40:41 09/22/04 Wed
Author: Jacqui
Author Host/IP: 62.103.177.84
Subject: Re: Different Calming Signals for Deaf Dogs??
In reply to: Kristin 's message, "Re: Different Calming Signals for Deaf Dogs??" on 15:22:41 08/30/04 Mon

No-one seems to be posting new messages on this site! Anyway wanted just to give progress report on Floyd, my dogo argentino.

After worrying about a break (Greek summer..Olympics and heat) from socialising I braved it yesterday to go for a mountain walk with Floyd, Layla (hearing Greek rescue dog) and my friend and her Greek dog Beluga! They all knew each other very well a couple of months ago but we'd got out of the habit of meeting for walks My friend lives a half hour drive away!

I went armed with Gentle Leader, muzzle , treats etc. and was SO worried Floyd would growl or go for Beluga or even my friend Lizzy. Couldn't believe how well he behaved!! I kept him on the leash in case other dogs turned up but didn't really need to as he walked to heel the whole way. He instantly seemed to know my friend and her dog or maybe my other dog showed him they were ok ?? All in all he was fantastic and I was so proud of him..after all that worry!

I still think we'll have problems with unknown people or dogs but at least I know he remembers people and dogs we have been with before!

Well all for now. So far, so good!
Jacqui

>Thanks! And good luck to you and Floyd! It sounds
>like he's coming along. Keep up the good work, and
>let us know how things continue to go.
>
>And they were good Olympic Games!
>
>-Kristin
>
>
>>Hi Kristin
>>
>>Wanted to say thank you for sharing so much knowledge
>>with me and will try to act on your ideas.
>>
>>Thought I'd let you know that after a week of putting
>>Floyd in his "crate" as a bed with treats, toys and
>>NOT closing the door, he is now asleep in it for the
>>second time today with the door closed and has not
>>made any attempt, voluble or physical to get
>>out!!We'll let him out when he wakes up!
>>
>>Also lately we have corrected him with a firm hand on
>>his face (NOT a slap!) and the NO signal( for us this
>>is a pointed finger and if very bad a pointed shaking
>>finger!) He instantly stopped!! He has just been an
>>angel lately but now I know we have the option of the
>>crate if non-doglovers come to our house, I feel a
>>whole lot better!
>>
>>He also has one new hand signal. We used to let him up
>>on the couch in the den but decided no more, to show
>>who's boss. With a wave of the hand away, he just
>>backs off and now goes straight to his bed"crate" !!!
>>
>>I really feel we are making progress and think also
>>that Floyd is totally trainable if we keep on it! Feel
>>better knowing there are other people out there with
>>other deafdog problems but there is always friendly
>>advice to reassure!
>>
>>Great Olympics wasn't it. I am very proud even though
>>I'm English just to be living here. The Greeks did
>>themselves proud after all that negativity!Bravo!
>>
>>Thanks again Jacqui
>>
>>>Well, hello to Greece from the US. Are you going to
>>>any of the Olympic Games? I've been watching them
>>>since they started. I'm a big Olympics fan.
>>>
>>>Aggression is a tricky issue, and I do wish you had a
>>>trainer to help you. Someone with experience in
>>>reading "doggie language" can tell you if the
>>>aggression is fear based or pure aggression. The way
>>>you tackle the problem depends on this assessment.
>>>
>>>You're feeling it's a fear based aggression.
>>>Actually, this is a good thing. Fear based
>>>aggression, in my own opinion, is easier to correct,
>>>if you're willing to work on it. You said as a small
>>>puppy, he was well socialized. Did that socilization
>>>continue? Dogs should be continually socialized all
>>>of their lives, but especially up until age two.
>>>
>>>Also, your boy is one, and he's going through
>>>adolescence. Yes, dogs have an adolescence. During
>>>this time, they push the limits to see what they can
>>>get away with, just like human teenagers. All of my
>>>dogs at around the age of 14 - 16 months have shown
>>>mild aggressions. I keep on top of these by being
>>>very firm when they occur. It depends on the dog's
>>>personality and on the reason for the aggression, but
>>>my firmness may just be a very, very firm voice to a
>>>mild physical correction like grabbing the collar and
>>>looking into the dogs eyes as I scold him verbally.
>>>Harsher corrections may need to be used, based on the
>>>dog.
>>>
>>>However, if the aggression is fear based, this
>>>techique will make the matter worse. For true fear
>>>based aggressions, you will need to go to Amazon.com
>>>and order the book, "Help for Your Shy Dog" by
>Deborah
>>>Wood (I think that's her name). This book has an
>>>excellent chapter about how to deal with fear based
>>>aggressions. Follow it. You will see success. Her
>>>book will be more detailed on how to deal with fear
>>>based aggressions than my post would be here, so do
>>>get the book.
>>>
>>>Until the book arrives, make sure you don't coddle
>the
>>>dog when it acts fearful. Don't comfort it. Our
>>>first instinct is to pet the dog and comfort it.
>But,
>>>what the dog understands when this happens is that
>you
>>>are reassuring the dog that it's OK to be afraid.
>>>You're telling it by comforting it, "It's OK to be
>>>afraid of this thing." It actually makes the fear
>>>worse! What you'll need to do when your dog acts
>>>scared is to act "jolly" about the event. If my dogs
>>>get scared over, say, a flag waving in the wind, I go
>>>over the the flag, laughing, waving my hands in the
>>>"good dog" sign and play with the flag. I sign all
>>>the good signs I've taught "good dog," "clap" (which
>>>means good) "thumbs up" (another good sign)-
>whatever.
>>> This tells my dog, "This is nothing to be afraid
>of.
>>>This doesn't scare me...why should it scare you?"
>>>
>>>You may need to get a crate until the aggression
>>>issues are under control. It's more important that
>>>visitors to your home are safe than that the dog is
>>>allowed freedom during peoples' visit.
>>>
>>>Also, I'm not a big one on pinning down dog's
>>>personalities based on breeds. However, my
>>>understanding is that Dogo Argentinos can be
>>>aggressive. I may be wrong on this, and you have
>>>surely studied your breed. I bring it up to make
>sure
>>>you know if the aggression is fear based or pure
>>>aggression. I have personally never worked with a
>>>Dogo Argentino, as they are rare in this area.
>>>
>>>Calming signals are non-verbal signals your dog gives
>>>to supposedly "calm" you down as lead dog. I
>>>personally think they are actually signals your dog
>>>gives when it is stressed, and have nothing to do
>with
>>>calming down the lead dog. The signals are aimless
>>>sniffing, avoidance of you or the behavior you are
>>>trying to get the dog to do, zooming can be one,
>>>yawning, panting - just to name a few. You have to
>get
>>>to know your dog to know which "calming" signals it
>>>produces. My deaf boy sniffs and avoids.
>>>
>>>When a dog is showing calming signals, a sign he is
>>>stressed, I usually try to pump things up and make
>the
>>>situation happy again. Play, good signals, etc. help
>>>do this. If your dog stresses too much during
>>>training - that is, shows calming signals too often -
>>>it can eventually just shut down to training and quit
>>>working totally. A good trainer will recognize the
>>>signals and won't let this happen.
>>>
>>>Also, go on-line and Google "dog aggression" and
>"dogo
>>>argentino aggression." There are some great websites
>>>out there to help you with aggression issues. You
>>>have to dig around to find them, but look for ones
>>>that use more positive methods of training verses
>>>harsher methods.
>>>
>>>Good luck. If you have anyother questions, I'll try
>>>to help.
>>>
>>>Also, go to the DDEAF.com website. They have great
>>>info for you.
>>>
>>>-Krisitn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have just found this site and need some help too!
>I
>>>>have a stone deaf Dogo Argentino, rescued as a 3
>>month
>>>>old. He is now 12 months and 100lbs! At home with us
>>>>he is calm, loving obedient. He understands about 5
>>>>hand signals and facial expressions. We are teaching
>>>>ourselves to train him!We have no problem with him
>>>>within the family and at home!
>>>>
>>>>The problem is that as a small puppy he was well
>>>>socialised with other dogs (we have a 4 year old
>>>>mongrel who is Top Dog at home! ) and people.However
>>>>in the last few weeks there have been several
>>>>incidents where he has growled or snapped at people
>>or
>>>>dogs, so much so that I despair of ever having
>>>>visitors again!! I want to stamp this out now,before
>>>>it gets worse but cant get a trainer as I live in
>the
>>>>countryside in Greece..there won't be a specialist
>>>>nearby, thats for sure!
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas? I think its his deafness thats causing
>the
>>>>problem and he is now scared in strange situations.
>I
>>>>am thinking of getting a crate to keep him safe and
>>>>away from visitors, but am sad to do this as he is
>>the
>>>>most affectionate dog we have ever had, despite his
>>>>size and fearsome appearance.Is this a solution
>>>>temporarily?
>>>>
>>>>Have you had a similar problem? I'm not sure what
>you
>>>>meant by "calming signals". Is there an answer to
>>>this?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for your help..anyone!!

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