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Date Posted: 17:02:23 07/05/10 Mon
Author: Bill
Author Host/IP: 70.21.208.237
Subject: Carbon credits scams
In reply to: DJam 's message, "Insect Surfing" on 13:11:37 07/05/10 Mon

The carbon credit concept was tried in California a while back when the state gave carbon credits to coal fired elelctrical generating plants in exchange for taking automobiles that had high carbon emissions off the roads. the scheme had the companies paying people a set amount for each auto taken off the road based on the age of the cars not the amount of carbon emissions they actually produced with an arbitrary value for carbon emissions per car set by the program.
So of course Californians then got cars that had been sitting unused for a decade or more up and running just enough to qualify for the trade in program in return for a set fee ( I don't remember the actual amount but think it was at least $1000 per car ) and the generating companies got a credit of somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs of carbon as emissions per car in return ( even though most of them had not been in use prior to the program coming into existnce so ahd not been producing any carbon emissions at all ).
At the same time nationally there was a program in the works where companies that had low emissions got a credit for not producing carbon that went into the atmosphere and could trade the credit to those that did put carbon emissions into the atmosphere so they could keep on polluting with a zero sum gain in emissions reductions.

Anyone want to make any bets on how this idea will fly once more ? Zero emissions reductions and a lot of profitmaking for no real effect on the atmosphere or the so called global warming trend ( which is still up for grabs as to what actually causes a warming trend and wether or not it is natural or man made and if both to what percentage man made emissions actually effect the trend ( which wll if it proceeds on the present trend cause a major rise in temperature in about three or four hundred years to almost the level the global temperature was at prior to the little ice age which caused the crop failures and changed how the world grew crops and what different cultures consumed and produced afterwards) .
The little ice age ended in about 1976 when things bregan warming up again to so called normal levels then droipped down again for the last ten or so years while there has been no measurable global warming increase .

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