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Date Posted: 10:58:21 10/27/05 Thu
Author: Sophist
Subject: Re: Cause and consequence
In reply to: manwitch 's message, "Re: Cause and consequence" on 09:49:49 10/27/05 Thu

In one sense, the sun rising today caused me to go to work. It's part of a chain of events, and but for each one of those events, I wouldn't be here.

That's not really what we usually mean by cause, though. In the case of Buffy's S6 anomie, magic was a "but for" cause, but the direct cause was being pulled out of heaven.

Here are some seemingly significant spells which lacked repercussions in my narrower sense:

Various episodes: The "re-locking" spells to keep out vamps
Gingerbread: Giles reveals the demon
Choices: Willow saves her life with a floating pencil
Hush: Willow and Tara save their own lives
WAY: Willow and Tara locate the real Buffy and conjure the device to reverse the body switch
WTWTA: W&T hold the dead children's spirits while Xander goes to stop the sex-a-thon
OOMM: Buffy trances to find the real Dawn
Intervention: Giles does the hokey pokey
Spiral: Barrier spell
WotW: Willow brings Buffy back
TG: Willow restores Tara's sanity

Having this many counterexamples seems to me to create a real problem for the "always repercussions" theme. YMMV.

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Replies:

In my spare time -- Celebaelin, 12:21:01 10/27/05 Thu
- I think you just proved too much -- Sophist, 12:52:51 10/27/05 Thu
  - Re: surrection -- Celebaelin, 13:38:44 10/27/05 Thu
    - Some quick counterexamples -- Sophist, 13:58:58 10/27/05 Thu
      - And my counter -- Celebaelin, 14:27:37 10/27/05 Thu
        Why a scythe -- Sunshine, 14:54:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Why a scythe - translation problem ? -- Rich, 18:15:23 10/28/05 Fri
        Or -- Celebaelin, 03:25:30 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- Jane, 15:57:14 10/29/05 Sat
        True, but... -- Celebaelin, 16:10:45 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- manwitch, 04:46:07 10/31/05 Mon
        Holistic links -- Celebaelin, 05:03:12 10/31/05 Mon
        Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Celebaelin, 15:13:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Sunshine, 17:25:45 10/27/05 Thu
        Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:44:07 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:45:08 10/27/05 Thu
      - Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- Celebaelin, 16:58:04 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- MarkM, 03:33:57 10/31/05 Mon
        Emphasis -- Celebaelin, 05:30:15 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Emphasis -- MarkM, 05:32:18 11/01/05 Tue
        Certainty -- Celebaelin, 06:17:29 11/02/05 Wed
        Agreed. (NT) -- Sophist, 08:40:34 10/31/05 Mon

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