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Date Posted: 13:15:16 11/14/05 Mon
Author: Sunshine
Subject: Re: understanding
In reply to: manwitch 's message, "understanding" on 11:11:26 11/14/05 Mon

As for Wesley's alienation, where in the Buffyverse do we find our alienation to be the product of the actions of others?
Since alienation is an internal emotion of course it is ultimately a product of our actions. That does not mean that the actions of others cannot play a significant role in how we view the world and how we choose to react (and sometimes we are not able to see that we are indeed choosing).

When has he ever got it right on his own?
1. Siding with the Scoobies in Graduation Day
2. Siding with Faith against the WC in Sanctuary
3. Continuing the good fight when Angel went on his walk-about in early season 2
4. His actions in Pylea
5. Dredging up Angel in Deep Down
6. Freeing Faith from prison
7. Potentially sacrificing Faith to trap Angelus in Release/Orpheus
8. Trying to save Lilah from eternal damnation in Home
9. Killing his robot father to save Angel is Lineage
I think I could cite more instances but I get the feeling that that will not get us anywhere. If I read your position correctly, Wesley has never done anything admirable or correct. I don’t read it that way.

But I give him lots of understanding and recognize that stealing someone's kid and giving him to the known bad people without telling any of one's closest friends is deep in the gray zone. How could he have known?
Well he wasn’t exactly dealing with Mother Theresa here. Angel was sending some mixed signals. Of course, with perfect knowledge, we knew that it was WR&H that was poisoning him with Connor’s blood. Wesley was not privledged to that information. Given the track record of Angel/Angelus, the possibility that Angel would in fact kill Connor would have to be considered.
As to what Wesley was going to do with Connor, I do not believe he was intending to give the child to Holtz. If so, why did they have to slit his throat? I thought Wesley was going to spirit Connor away to protect Connor and to protect Angel from killing his son.

I see a very hard and inflexible judgment on your part toward the characters. I guess I am a “weeping heart liberal” but I really do try to understand all sides of the situation and make allowances for human weakness. In the end, I too fault Wesley for making bad decisions. He tries to do good but sometimes he goes astray and that is one of the main reasons why I like the character so much. I believe it makes the point that good intentions are not enough, that actions have unanticipated consequences. I like that ambiguity in my fiction. I gather you much prefer the pure and infallible souls such as Buffy. To each their own.

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