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Date Posted: 16:03:06 02/22/05 Tue
Author: Heidi
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Subject: Re: Five Percenters & Hip Hop Music
In reply to: Frank Wolff 's message, "Five Percenters & Hip Hop Music" on 17:55:33 07/29/03 Tue

>The Five Percenters
>
> Many would call them a street gang, or a
>prison group, or just plain thugs, but The 5
>Percenters are trying to portray something quite more
>than that. The are commonly referred to as the 5
>Percenters, but also known as "the poor righteous
>teachers". Their history is brief yet detailed, their
>beliefs are quite different from what most people
>believe, and the people that are apart of this will
>alarm you. In no way I'm I advertising this as a new
>form of religion to be persuaded into. I do not agree
>with their views, but I do find them very interesting.
> First we will start with the history of the 5
>Percenters. This particular movement, like the Nation
>of Islam, derives its teaching from Islam. The 5
>Percenters and the Nation of Islam derive their
>teachings from Islamic beliefs, but they do not
>practice them as traditionally as the Islamic do. The
>5 Percenters were started in 1964 by Clarence Jowers
>Smith, a youth minister with the Nation of Islam's
>Mosque No. 7 run by Malcolm X. He left the Nation of
>Islam with the intent of spreading his beliefs
>throughout Harlem, which is now the center of the 5
>Percenters. He changed his name to Allah, and began
>his teachings. Unfortunately he was assassinated in
>1969, in a Harlem basement, but his legacy and
>teachings still leaves on today. Although their
>teachings are derived from Islam's, they follow a very
>non-traditional way of life. They believe that the
>black man is god, and the black woman is earth. They
>also believe that the black man was the first human
>creation, and that the white man was made from the
>black man. The white man then in turn tricked the
>black man into slavery. The true basis of their
>beliefs is called the Supreme Mathematics. Which
>means that there is the whole population represented
>by 100%. 85% of the population does not know the
>truth, 15% know the truth, but 10% uses that truth for
>purposes of evil and keeping the 85% in the dark.
>Then there are the 5% that know the truth and tries to
>teach the 85% of the population. These are the "poor
>righteous teachers. The 10% have been referred to as
>the devil by the 5 percenters. They have also been
>refereed to as most religious leaders, such as the
>Pope. They center their beliefs on the family, and
>peace. Although they seem to have good intentions,
>they are often viewed as a gang. Detective Louis
>Jordan (an ex-gang member, now a gang expert) says
>that there about 400 real Five Percenters, and a gang
>of about 60. Detective Louis Jordan calls the gang
>of 60 the "jive percenters". They use the Five
>Percenters for negative purposes. The real Five
>Percent believe that God is in all of them. They do
>not believe that there is a God in heaven that is
>watching over us. Rather they are Gods, and that they
>should pray to themselves, not anyone else. They are
>in control of their own fate and decide their future.
>
> The Five Percenters has had a lot of negative
>publicity since its inception. Largely because the
>mass media views them as a gang. Which they claim
>they are not. An FBI report is now available on the
>internet that classifies them as a gang, and goes on
>to name a number of events that they say are gang
>related (http://foia.fbi.gov/5percent.htm). The Five
>Percenters are all black, but they do not discriminate
>on other races, but only blacks can be Gods and
>Earth's. Thus, other nationalities can only observe
>rather than participate to the full extent. Some of
>the people that are well known that participate in the
>Five Percenters will alarm you. Triple Platinum
>artist, Erykah Badu, sings about the Five Percenters
>in almost every song. In her popular song, On and On,
>Erykah Badu sings, "If we were made in his image then
>call us by our names, Most intellects do not believe
>in god but they fear us just the same," She continues,
>"I was born under water with 3 dollars and 6 dimes
>Yeah you might laugh 'cause you did not do your math,"
>She is reffering to some of their mathematical belifs
>mentioned earlier. In a Nas song called "Life's A
>Bitch" AZ exclaims, "cause yeah, we were beginners in
>the hood as five percenters, But something must of got
>in us cause all of us turned to sinners". Other
>famous acts that preach the message of the Five
>Percenters are the Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast, and more.
>That surprises me because we are digesting messages
>that we have no idea about. People sing their lyrics,
>listen to there message, and have absolutely no idea
>what they are hearing. The Five Percenters have
>unique ideas, and an even more unique history. Their
>plans for the future of their movement in unknown, and
>the way they go about doing it is already angering
>many people. The people that associate with them that
>are in the limelight and help spread the message are
>common names in urban and suburban homes. Their
>messages come across our television and we don't even
>know it. If this movement interests you I suggest
>researching it thoroughly, but I have found that most
>information is biased. They haven't persuaded me to
>ditch my religion, but they have done so with a lot of
>people, and they are forcing their way into the black
>community.

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[> Re: Five Percenters & Hip Hop Music -- Liz, 22:44:27 11/17/05 Thu (adsl-69-235-11-244.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net/69.235.11.244)

>The Five Percenters
>
> Many would call them a street gang, or a
>prison group, or just plain thugs, but The 5
>Percenters are trying to portray something quite more
>than that. The are commonly referred to as the 5
>Percenters, but also known as "the poor righteous
>teachers". Their history is brief yet detailed, their
>beliefs are quite different from what most people
>believe, and the people that are apart of this will
>alarm you. In no way I'm I advertising this as a new
>form of religion to be persuaded into. I do not agree
>with their views, but I do find them very interesting.
> First we will start with the history of the 5
>Percenters. This particular movement, like the Nation
>of Islam, derives its teaching from Islam. The 5
>Percenters and the Nation of Islam derive their
>teachings from Islamic beliefs, but they do not
>practice them as traditionally as the Islamic do. The
>5 Percenters were started in 1964 by Clarence Jowers
>Smith, a youth minister with the Nation of Islam's
>Mosque No. 7 run by Malcolm X. He left the Nation of
>Islam with the intent of spreading his beliefs
>throughout Harlem, which is now the center of the 5
>Percenters. He changed his name to Allah, and began
>his teachings. Unfortunately he was assassinated in
>1969, in a Harlem basement, but his legacy and
>teachings still leaves on today. Although their
>teachings are derived from Islam's, they follow a very
>non-traditional way of life. They believe that the
>black man is god, and the black woman is earth. They
>also believe that the black man was the first human
>creation, and that the white man was made from the
>black man. The white man then in turn tricked the
>black man into slavery. The true basis of their
>beliefs is called the Supreme Mathematics. Which
>means that there is the whole population represented
>by 100%. 85% of the population does not know the
>truth, 15% know the truth, but 10% uses that truth for
>purposes of evil and keeping the 85% in the dark.
>Then there are the 5% that know the truth and tries to
>teach the 85% of the population. These are the "poor
>righteous teachers. The 10% have been referred to as
>the devil by the 5 percenters. They have also been
>refereed to as most religious leaders, such as the
>Pope. They center their beliefs on the family, and
>peace. Although they seem to have good intentions,
>they are often viewed as a gang. Detective Louis
>Jordan (an ex-gang member, now a gang expert) says
>that there about 400 real Five Percenters, and a gang
>of about 60. Detective Louis Jordan calls the gang
>of 60 the "jive percenters". They use the Five
>Percenters for negative purposes. The real Five
>Percent believe that God is in all of them. They do
>not believe that there is a God in heaven that is
>watching over us. Rather they are Gods, and that they
>should pray to themselves, not anyone else. They are
>in control of their own fate and decide their future.
>
> The Five Percenters has had a lot of negative
>publicity since its inception. Largely because the
>mass media views them as a gang. Which they claim
>they are not. An FBI report is now available on the
>internet that classifies them as a gang, and goes on
>to name a number of events that they say are gang
>related (http://foia.fbi.gov/5percent.htm). The Five
>Percenters are all black, but they do not discriminate
>on other races, but only blacks can be Gods and
>Earth's. Thus, other nationalities can only observe
>rather than participate to the full extent. Some of
>the people that are well known that participate in the
>Five Percenters will alarm you. Triple Platinum
>artist, Erykah Badu, sings about the Five Percenters
>in almost every song. In her popular song, On and On,
>Erykah Badu sings, "If we were made in his image then
>call us by our names, Most intellects do not believe
>in god but they fear us just the same," She continues,
>"I was born under water with 3 dollars and 6 dimes
>Yeah you might laugh 'cause you did not do your math,"
>She is reffering to some of their mathematical belifs
>mentioned earlier. In a Nas song called "Life's A
>Bitch" AZ exclaims, "cause yeah, we were beginners in
>the hood as five percenters, But something must of got
>in us cause all of us turned to sinners". Other
>famous acts that preach the message of the Five
>Percenters are the Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast, and more.
>That surprises me because we are digesting messages
>that we have no idea about. People sing their lyrics,
>listen to there message, and have absolutely no idea
>what they are hearing. The Five Percenters have
>unique ideas, and an even more unique history. Their
>plans for the future of their movement in unknown, and
>the way they go about doing it is already angering
>many people. The people that associate with them that
>are in the limelight and help spread the message are
>common names in urban and suburban homes. Their
>messages come across our television and we don't even
>know it. If this movement interests you I suggest
>researching it thoroughly, but I have found that most
>information is biased. They haven't persuaded me to
>ditch my religion, but they have done so with a lot of
>people, and they are forcing their way into the black
>community.

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[> [> Re: Five Percenters & Hip Hop Music -- LIZ, 04:35:03 05/24/07 Thu (sbbc20.broward.k12.fl.us/169.139.1.20)

FUCK ALL THIS NIGGER SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT AND WHO REALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT IT!. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A GANG SOUNDS LIKE A GANG THEN SHIT ITS A FUCKING GANG!
THIS IS CANARSIE.COM. SO TAKE THAT BULLSHIT TO HIP-HOP.COM WHERE IT BELONGS! THIS S NONSENSE! %100 BULLSHIT! NOT %5 BUT %100..

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