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Date Posted: 19:40:26 03/14/04 Sun
Author: David I.
Subject: Re: Sled dogs vs Wolves see it here
In reply to: Dan G. 's message, "Re: Sled dogs vs Wolves see it here" on 19:03:49 03/12/04 Fri

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I had a reply ready to go but my computer hiccupped.

"Wolves and possibly other canids evolved for more than 10,000 yrs into what we now have. The domesticated dog." Not one branch but many with reintroduction of the wolf and other wild canids. into those branches along the way.

"These dogs don't run because they have to, they run because it feels good to them. It feels better to run than to sit still."

Their off switch is broken. They like to run but at some point they are compelled to. Your statements are anthopomorphic.

"Which is more fit in a biological sense animal?" The wolf. We agree.

"If you mean which can THRIVE on it's own in the wild then the answer is obvious. On the otherhand, which has more endurance?"

The answer is "not so" obvious." The answer would be in how you would devise the test. A wolfs gait is slower but more energy sparing, when they disperse from their natal packs, as they rarely stay more than three years unless they become the alpha. They disperse hundreds of miles sometimes, the record so far in North America is 800+ miles from Northern Saskatchewan to Minnesota. (Not in eight days though)

I will concede the sleddogs can pull a sled with more endurance than wolves. The mere idea of wolves in sled traces is comical, they would bite through them and be off. Taking the animals out of the traces and testing them is a different matter.. If you diverge from the speed at which a sled travels and go over a trail that a sled could not follow say, broken ground, I would give the wolves the edge in "applied" endurance. Also wolves don't have "booties" laced on when they go out for a long run, which I think is an important consideration but not obvious. They have much tougher feet than a SD.

"Genetically wolves and chihuahuas are just as close. Phenotypically there is a big difference between the breeds, but the genes are all very close."

"There is less genetic distance between sleddogs and wolves than there is between chihuahuas and sleddogs is what I guess I should have said"

"In a certain sense your sled dog vs. wolf scenario would be like comparing "narrowly specialized" wolves to wolves."

"Yes, and in a certain sense an ape and a human are the same as well."
Apes and humans are different species. Dogs and wolves belong to the same species and they can and do interbreed. Dogs are derived from wolves as you pointed out.

"Just as ape has evolved into man."
Random mutation and natural selection are demonstrable but, I am a design advocate after William Dembski, Phillip E. Johnson, Francis Crick and Michael Behe, not a Darwinist.

Face it this is much more productive that watching television. Dan I will let you have the last word on this. I have said my piece.

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