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Date Posted: 00:06:04 05/25/06 Thu
Author: Beg
Author Host/IP: pcd576246.netvigator.com / 218.102.108.246
Subject: Re: NHK TV 訪問
In reply to: 路人 's message, "NHK TV 訪問" on 14:19:23 05/15/06 Mon

That's an interesting topic. I'd like to intrepret in this way:

I guess many jazz saxophonists in HK don't have (or don't border have) passed grade 8 cause this cert just signifies the player equiped foundational performance skill. For these performers, they can simply show up their skills to get the job. Similar cases can be found in rock music arena (e.g. drums, elect. guiter, etc.)

However, we can't jump to another extreme to say that grade 8 means nothing. I think the course structure of ABRSM/Trinity provide saxophone lovers a systematic ways to learn that instrument. No matter you're just for fun or you intend to go to music school.

Regarding the issue of whether a tutor should have passed grade 8 or not, basically I agreed with what "PL" said. Although a good saxophonist without having passed grade 8 could still be a good tutor, this certification gives his/her students a certain kind of confident...at least.

Anyway, I hope "SC" could really try his best to teach his students. I think all of us don't want to have another "A1 Sze Sir" in music field.....

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[> Re: NHK TV 訪問 -- a teacher, 01:19:38 05/25/06 Thu [1] (n218103215106.netvigator.com/218.103.215.106)

以我個人超過十年的導師經驗來說（教導過不少本港導師及琴行教過的學生及一些現任導師），導師有沒有8級以上証書和實際教學質素及學生實際所學到又運用到的並沒有直接的關係，其中原因需要我們各方面認真反思而不是互相踐踏，其中包括：

1.本港普遍音樂教學水平偏低，這與本港的教育及文化環境有關；比如說音樂學院的課程及收生制度偏重學術成績及技巧水平但忽略創意，而政府及市民也大多不熱忱支持本地原創音樂及表演文化，導致學院出來的畢業生大多在不太請願及熱心教學下收生教學維持生計，個別新手導師本身缺乏音樂思維或認知不成熟，教的都是照本子直述，缺乏對學生的引導及啟發性的教育；

2.本港音樂教育偏重古典樂，但本港古典色士風導師的師資偏低，比如說本人教過很多由所謂出名的導師教過的5級、8級甚至演奏級的學生發現大多數非常缺乏節奏感、運氣不當只懂口咬正音(正式來形容是：高音薄、中音乾、低音爆)，更有部份死板吹譜缺乏音樂感及自我表達能力非常低、死練技巧缺乏音樂欣賞及聽奏能力等等，這些學生可能不敢即時上台吹一首簡單的流行曲，因為他們會希望拿樂譜回家先練練、對自己的節奏、音準及演譯完全沒有信心。實際上色士風的大部份技巧及音樂發展主要是在過去的100年內在美國成長，本港的所謂正統色士風古典樂教育（考級制度）其實比較過時；

3.太多由純商業角度出發的人仕在沒有專業資格或草草考級前/後教學，但實際缺乏導師專業資格、專業知識及教學經驗，而本港政府並無部門及法例監管，在此情況下個別騙子出現把學生信心拉到新低；

4.部份學生及家長缺乏選擇導師的能力，以訛傳訛幼稚偏見，有些以為有級一定好、有些以為有名一定好、有些貪平宜或貪就腳等等。其實如果學生對音樂一無所知，應先找出名的大琴行及音樂中心上課學習基本知識，這些琴行會注重師資並幫你過濾假教師，如果還是覺得導師教得不好或不當，可作正式書面投訴及發信到各大報章雜誌。如果學生對音樂有多少認識的話，上一兩課後便應該評估導師的教學質素；

5.還有部份情況是學生自已的問題，比如吸收能力特別低、不練習或少練習、不依導師編排練習、不聽/不懂欣賞音樂、出發點只求有型等等，這樣的話再好的導師也教不好這些學生；

總結還是開始所說的：導師有沒有8級以上証書和實際教學質素及學生實際所學到又運用到的並沒有直接的關係，但我也同意8級水平可以作為一個師資的參考標準，但絕不代表一定會教得正確、教得用心和教得好；

如果你發現有導師本身並無相關証書資格你就跟本不應該向他學習去考級；但如果你要學的就只是為了考級的話，你就不應該怨恨你的導師不能教會你爵士及其他流行音樂；如果你只想學爵士及流行音樂的話，你就不應該只看重古典樂級數而選擇導師；如果你對音樂一無所知又跟本不知道自己想學什麼的話，你應該弄清楚後再學音樂。

希望這些無聊討論到此為止，希望這個論壇能討論一些更有關音樂及色士風的話題(給我多一些機會在此交流)，希望有關人仕不要只懂在此推廣自己或自己的公司但毫無正面貢獻。

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