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Date Posted: 09:29:57 05/30/03 Fri
FROM: \"Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet\" trepet@vmro-mnm.com
DATE: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:40:32 +0100
TO: \"Pavlos Gyparis\" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com
CC: \"Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet\" trepet@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Alo atina ovde e MAKEDONIJA! Hello athens here is MACEDONIA!
The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization -
Macedonia for the Macedonians (VMRO-MNM)!
November 14, 2002
To Pavlos Gyparis
I am writing to you regarding your false and provocative mails that you sent to the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM on October 4, 2002. Actually, you do not deserve any answer since you are not interested in the truth. The only interest you have in our Macedonian history is for the purpose of falsifying it and make it your own. Thus, everything you have written, as you and the rest of the Athenians already know, is inaccurate.
You have been brainwashed by your criminal politicians and fanatics and the Western World\'s dictatorship regime.
Since you are of Arabian descendent you are the newcomers on Macedonian territory. However, you have been successful in buying friends in the Western World, such as writers, so called historians and experts, politicians and journalists, for the purpose of stealing our Macedonian history, culture and traditions and falsify them to suit you, the newcomers of Arabian origin. I do understand why you are doing this. Since you are gangsters you do as all criminals do: You do not admit your crime and you continue to claim your innocence.
You Athenians are very lucky having the Western World\'s \"historians\", writers, professors, etc, helping you to steal the Macedonian history. Consequently, the children in the world read about \"Greek\" history, \"Greek\" culture, \"Greek\" traditions, \"Greek\" gods and \"Greek\" antiquity. The truth is, that there are no \"Greek\" belongings, all of this belongs to us, the Macedonians. It does not belong to you newcomers.
You Athenians have succeeded pretty well with the Macedonian traitors who you pay to destroy the identity of the Macedonian nation. The Asian Tatars (\"Bulgarians\"), the Albanians from Caucasus and the Serbs from the Armenian Mountains have also experienced the same success due to corrupt Macedonian traitors.
You mentioned the \"presidents\" Kiro Gligorov and Boris Trajkovski in your mails.
Boris Trajkovski-Vladika: \"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slavs go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11th, with the creation of Samoil\'s state.
After the fall of Samoil\'s kingdom, during the centuries-long slavery, the wish for a state of its own never extinguished. This is proved by many uprisings against foreign rulers. In the more recent history, during the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans and in Macedonia occurred the most well-known national liberation uprisings, the Karpos uprising in 1689, the Kresna and Razlovci uprisings in 1878\". (http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm)
It comes to no surprise if they have made such statements since they are the greatest traitors. Naturally, they will one day have to pay a high price from their treason.
I am a Macedonian. I am proud of being a Macedonian. I am proud of working for my country Macedonia and my Macedonian people. I am proud of my Macedonian culture, history and traditions. I am proud of our Macedonian kings and heroes who have given their lives for the Macedonian country and the Macedonian people. I am proud of our Macedonian brothers, Kiril and Metodij, who gave us, as you can see on the picture, our Macedonian, not Athenian, alphabet.
http://www.vmro-mnm.com/Among_the_oldest_alphabets_in_the_world_The_Macedonian_alphabet.htm
I and the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM will fight for the liberation of our occupied territories and we will return our stolen history, culture and traditions.
I want to mention an important protocol that I received a couple of days ago regarding a conference that will be held in the occupied Macedonian town Solun on November 15, 2002, with representatives from different organizations and folk groups. In this protocol, the Macedonian nation and the Macedonian language is mentioned. However, such protocols and conferences cannot help the Macedonian people regaining everything that has been stolen and occupied by the newcomers since the only thing they bring up is the language. Thus, the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM do not accept such protocols because, to us, it is not enough to only discuss the language since there are many other issues that are more important to discuss, for example, the return of everything that has been stolen from the Macedonian nation, including the occupied territories.
If you Athenians, together with the EU and the UN, believe that you can trick the Macedonian people and the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM by only acknowledging the Macedonian language, you are wrong. Furthermore, we know that, even if this discussion is held, the language will still not be acknowledged. It might exist on a piece of paper but not in the real world. This is only an act performed by you fascist Athenians, the EU and the UN.
Alo \"atina\", \"sofija\", \"belgrad\" i \"tirana\" ovde e MAKEDONIJA!
Hallo \"athens\", \"sofija\", \"belgrad\" and \"tirana\" here is MACEDONIA!
MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!
JAS SUM MAKEDONEC A NE FYROMEC!
NIE SME MAKEDONCI A NE FYROMCI!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA ZEMJA!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!
LONG LIVE MACEDONIAN!
LONG LIVE THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS NO ONE ELSE.
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM
GREEK COMMITTEE OF THE EUROPEAN
BUREAU FOR LESSER USED LANGUAGES
PO BOX 100, 59200 NAOUSA – GREECE
TEL. ++.3850.22570
E-mail: greblul@otenet.gr
INFORMATION BULLETIN
OCTOBER 2002
NUMBER 1
PRESS RELEASE
On 26 January 2002 a meeting was arranged in Thessaloniki by the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages for representatives of the linguistic minorities of Greece.
This historic meeting ended with a decision to create the Greek Committee of the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages, in other words a committee of the Greek Section of the EBLUL.
The membership of the Greek Committee of the EBLUL will be as follows:
Chairman: Athanasios Parisis (Member of the Centre for Macedonian Culture)
Deputy Chairman: Sotirios Bletsas (President of the Society for Aroumounic (Vlach) Culture)
Secretary: Ibram Onsunoglu (Member of the Turkish Minority Movement for Human and Minority Rights)
Member: Petros Kazias (Member of the Centre for Macedonian Culture)
Member: Georgios Tsamitros (Member of the Society for Aroumounic (Vlach) Culture)
Member: Abdulhalim Dede (Member of the Turkish Minority Movement for Human and Minority Rights)
The objectives of the Greek Committee of the EBLUL are clearly set out in its charter:
1) To preserve and promote the minority languages of Greece, specifically the Aroumounic (Vlach), Macedonian, Pomak and Turkish languages.
2) To seek the introduction of the minority languages into the Greek educational system, in those regions where these languages are spoken.
3) To endeavour to preserve and promote the cultures of the aforesaid minority languages.
The Greek Committee of the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages, in association with the Brussels Central Bureau, under the aegis and with the funding of the European Union, will endeavour to realise in tangible form its philosophy, namely the need to save and promote a peaceful and multicultural United Europe.
Report on Helsinki Conference
Creation of Joint Structures for Historic Linguistic Minorities in the European Union
Naousa 16 October
A delegation from the Greek Committee of the EBLUL, consisting of Messrs. Athanasios Parisis, Committee Chairman, and Sotirios Bletsas, Deputy Chairman, attended the Conference held in Helsinki, Finland, on 11-12 October 2002. The Conference was held to discuss the subject: ‘Creation of joint structures for the historic linguistic minorities in the European Union’.
The Conference was organised by the Swedish Assembly of Finland, the National Finnish Association of Sweden, the EU Mission and the Ministry for Language of the Welsh Assembly.
Our delegation also participated in the work of the EBLUL Conference.
The Conference was addressed by Bojan Brezigar, President of the EBLUL, Paavo Lipponen, Finnish Prime Minister, Martti Ahtisaari, former President of Finland, Viviane Riding, EU Commissioner for Education and Culture, Asrid Thors, Finnish Euro MP, Ulpu Livari, Euro MP, Jean-Luc Dehaene, former Prime Minister of Belgium, and Colin H. Williams, Minister for Wales.
The theme of the Conference was a timely one, and very relevant indeed to the problems we are facing at the present time. It is connected to two key questions: the impending expansion of the European Union, and the control of developments in south-eastern Europe following recent upheavals.
Mr. Martti Ahtisaari, chairing the Conference, spoke among other things of the necessity of ensuring the protection of human rights and diversity in the current member states.
In discussion of the role of the EU in respect of minority languages, it was agreed that efforts must be made to encourage the development of basic standards, in accordance with which the member states will take appropriate measures, on the basis of their own individual cultures.
Given that in several member states of the EU the protection of linguistic rights is problematic, the Union’s role as coordinator in the development of these standards is of great importance.
M. Jean-Luc Dehaene, former Prime Minister of Belgium, stressed that the European Union must play its part when we are discussing the linguistic diversity of a future Europe. He also stressed the need for a strong constitutional basis, which will commit the European Union in its stance on linguistic and cultural difference.
It must be made clear in the future European Constitution that all languages have the same value and the same dignity.
Mrs. Viviane Riding, EU Commissioner for Education and Culture, described current EU plans for future policy on linguistic diversity.
Before the end of the year a consultation document will be published, setting out the future measures on linguistic diversity and the learning of languages in a European perspective.
The result of this process will be an exchange of views and cooperation between the European Parliament and the European Commission on the launching of an action plan.
Mr. Brezigar, President of the EBLUL, stressed the need to define minimum standards for the protection and promotion of regional and minority languages and to include them in future EU legislation.
This will benefit not only the linguistic communities, but the EU itself, allowing it to avoid future tension and possible conflict within the new member states. Mr. Brezigar also referred to the definition of entry criteria, in Copenhagen in 1993, where respect for minorities is a requirement which must be met by the candidate states.
Finally, Mr. Lipponen, Prime Minister of Finland, referred to the state of the linguistic groups in his own country and described the measures being taken to develop linguistic and cultural diversity.
Finland has two national languages recognised by the Constitution, Finnish and Swedish. He reminded his audience that the Swedish linguistic minority constituted only 6% of the population, an indication of the strength and flexibility required. Strength for each person to use his mother tongue; flexibility in the support for this from Finnish-speakers. He also emphasised the demand for the use of Swedish wherever required.
Flexibility is necessary in understanding that the fundamental principle of equality cannot be applied automatically. The Finnish-speakers, who make up 92% of the population, need to be encouraged to learn another language in order to acquire the ability to understand the situation.
The Chairman
Thanasis Parisis
Announcement
Naousa 21 October 2002
The 1st International Conference of the Brussels EBLUL (European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages) will be held in Thessaloniki on Friday 15 November 2002.
The Conference will be attended by representatives from the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the Brussels EBLUL and various foreign experts in minority language issues.
On the Greek side, delegates to the Conference will include representatives of the linguistic minorities, specifically of the Aroumounic, Macedonian, Turkish and Pomak languages.
Finally, there will be addresses of welcome or brief speeches by representatives of Greek Non-Government Organisations.
Alo Atina ovde e Makedonija. Hello Athens Here is Macedonia..doc (Binary attachment)
FROM: \"VMRO-MNM\" macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com
DATE: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:15 +0100
TO: GREEK COMMITTEE OF THE EUROPEAN BUREAU FOR LESSER USED LANGUAGES greblul@otenet.gr, \"Mr. Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet\" trepet@vmro-mnm.com, \"Pavlos Gyparis\" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com
CC: \"VMRO-MNM\" macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Alo atina ovde e MAKEDONIJA! Hello athens here is MACEDONIA!
The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization - Macedonia for the Macedonians (VMRO-MNM) !
http://www.vmro-mnm.com/Hello_athens_here_is_MACEDONIA_Alo_atina_ovde_e_MAKEDONIJA.htm
Alo Atina ovde e Makedonija. Hello Athens Here is Macedonia..doc (Binary attachment)
E-mails from Athenian Nazis and Fascists to VMRO-MNM and the organization\'s answer to these provocative mails!
FROM: \"vmro-mnm\" vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com | Save Address
DATE: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:18:30 +0200
TO: \"G-din. Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet\" trepet@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Lazhna i provokatorska propaganda od azijatskoto-arabsko karpetinsko pleme koj shto po novo se narekuvat \"grci\" !
FROM: \"Pavlos Gyparis\" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com | Save Address
DATE: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:05:21 +0300
TO: \"VMRO-MNM\" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: The truth about Macedonia...
The truth about Macedonia...
? Simple answers to frequently used Slavic arguments \"Greece officially denied the use of the name Macedonia after the Balkan wars.\"
This is a very inaccurate argument. There are several examples of state institutions and private businesses using the name Macedonia which operate in Greece since the early 1900s. These are just a few of them:
The \"Macedonia\" newspaper (1912)
The Society for Macedonian Studies (1939) [web site]
The museum of ancient Macedonia (1961) [web site]
The museum of the Macedonian struggle (1979) [web site]
Greece has been actively using the name Macedonia since its liberation from the Ottoman empire. If Greece\'s official position was to \"deny the existence of Macedonia\" how would it be possible for hundreds of private companies to be named after Macedonia?
\"Greece has changed the \"Macedonian\" names of locations in the Macedonia region.\"
The Greek names are older than the Slavic ones and most of them have their roots in ancient Greece. The Greek names of the towns in Macedonia are also mentioned in the Bible. A characteristic example is Thessaloniki. This city was founded in 315 bc by the Macedonian king Kasssandros and it was named after Alexanders\' half sister - Thessaloniki. How could the Greeks change the name from Solun (as the Slavs claim) to Thessaloniki in 1912 if that was the original name? The name Thessaloniki is even mentioned in the bible by St Paul. Why did he address his letters (epistoles) to the people of Thessaloniki and not the to the people of Solun?
What about the Greek names of towns inside FYROM used during the Ottoman times? Did Greece change them as well?
\"Today\'s \'Greeks\' and ancient \'Hellenes have no relation between them.\"
How is it possible for the people who live in the same region, speak the same language and have the same names and culture not to be descendants of the ancient inhabitants of the region? Similarly we could say that today\'s Egyptians are not descendants of ancient Egyptians and today\'s Chinese people are not descedants of ancient Chinese.
The name \'Greek\' is in fact ancient as well as the famous philosopher Aritotelis verifies:
\"...and she was not there forever, but after the cataclysm of Defkalion, which occurred in the Hellenic area, in fact, in the ancient Hellas, which was around Dodoni, and it changed many times the flow of Acheloos river. In that area live the Selloi and the ones that were once called Graecoi and are now called Hellenes...\" [Aristotelis Meteorologika, I, 14]
\"There is a large Macedonian minority in Greece\"
There is no \"Macedonian minority\" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the \"Macedonian language\" These people are not a \"Macedonian minority\" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. Anyone who didn\'t consider him/herself Greek could and should have left Greece during the exchange of populations in 1919.
\"One million people in Greece consider themselves Macedonians\"
In the 1996 parliament elections in Greece the political party of the people who claim to be a \"Macedonian minority\" gained 3.485 votes (official result). In the 2000 parliament elections they didn\'t take up part at all. Of course there is no doubt of the integrity of the election procedures since Greece is a member of the European Union. If there was such a large number of \"Macedonians\" in Greece (1/10th) wouldn\'t be easy for them to stand up against the \"Greek occupation\"?
\"Greece acquired illegally Aegean Macedonia in 1913\"
Greece acquired 51% of Macedonia in 1913 as a result of the treaty of Bucharest. International treaties are not illegal. Furthermore Greece in 1913 was not a powerful country to acquire any land it desired. This land was \"given\" to Greece because it historically belonged to Greece and its residents were Greek.
\"What gives Greece the right to name another country? This issue is straightforward, every country has the right to call itself whatever it wishes.\"
This is a misleading statement. The author knows very well why Greece is objecting to the use of the name Macedonia. In fact every country has the right to chose its own name as far as it does not belong to another country\'s history. The name Macedonia belongs to the Greek history. Greece has the right to protect its history and heritage.
\"Saints Cyril and Methdje (or Kirl and Metodi) were not Greeks but Macedonians.\"
Saints Cyrilos and Methodios were Greeks born in Thessaloniki and this is well known to all Christians. Pope John Paul the B\' in an official apostolic homily to the entire Catholic Church proclaimed that Methodius and Cyril \"Greek brethren born in Thessaloniki\" are consecrated as \"heavenly protectors of Europe\". John Paul B\' repeated this statement in a speech delivered in the church of Saint Clements, in Rome. You can see the original document here.
\"Greece stole the Macedonian history\"
Greece does not \'steal\' history. It has its own lengthy and respected history. It is the only thing that Greece has plenty of it. The Greek history and culture is respected by all the countries in the world. People who don\'t have their own history need to \'steal\' someone else\'s...
\"Linguistic science has at its disposal a very limited quantity of Macedonian words. A very limited quantity in this case is a quantity indeed, that Greeks cannot ignore.\"
This argument proves the Greek point that the \"Macedonian language\" was a Greek a dialect. There only exists \"a limited quantity of Macedonian words\" because the Macedonian dialect had \"limited\" differences from the Greek language.
How could it be possible for a separate \"ancient Macedonian language\" to disappeared after what Alexander had achieved?
\"If Philip united and not conquered the Greeks why did Alexander leave 25.000 men of his army in Macedonia when he is about to face the strongest and most numerous army in the world?\"
No sensible leader would go on a quest taking ALL his army with him and leaving his homeland unprotected!
And of course he did not leave 25.000 men in Macedonia because he was afraid of the other Greeks. Macedonia had lots of real enemies at its northern border (Illyrians, Dardanians,Paionians etc).
\"If Macedonians were Greek then why only 30% of Alexander\'s army were Greek?\"
The right question to ask is \'why as many as 30% of Alexander\'s army were from the rest of Greece?\' After all Macedonians and Greeks were supposed to be enemies! The Macedonians \'conquered\' the Greeks according to the Slavic version of the Macedonian history. The fact that a very significant part of Alexander\'s army were non-Macedonian Greeks shows the truth.
\"Ancient Macedonians did not take part in the Olympic Games\"
This is another false statement. It can be easily proved that people from Macedonia took part in the Olympic Games. For a list Macedonians who won the Olympic Games the click here.
\"Ancient Macedonians fought against Greece.\"
This is another misleading statement. It is well known that the ancient Greek states were largely independed of each other and that often led to wars between them. Some well-known examples are the Peolloponisian was between Athens and Sparti, the Athenians quest in the island of Mitilini, the brutal war between Sparti and Thebes and many more. A war between two ancient Greek regions did not mean that one of them was not Greek.
\"There are no ancient monuments written in the Macedonian language because Greek archaeologists destroy them when they are recovered.\"
Even if we accept that this is true it still doesn\'t explain why aren\'t there any monuments in the rest of Macedonia!
What about the ancient monuments in FYROM and Bulgaria?
What about the ancient monuments on Alexander\'s route in Asia?
Why aren\'t there any \"non Greek Macedonian monuments\" ?
Oh, I know why! The Greek archaeologists must have destroyed them as well !!!
\"If in fact, \"Macedonia is Greece\", how come they feel the need to emphasize, to shout, and to proclaim over and over again? After all, we never hear them proclaiming that \'Thebes is Greece\', or \'Sparta is Greece\' \".
If the Salvs wanted to name heir country \"Republic of Thebes\" or \"Republic of Sparta\" who would shout out \"Thebes and Sparta are Greek\". But they are claiming to be Macedonians so we shout that
\"MACEDONIA WAS GREEK\"
\"MACEDONIA IS GREEK\"
\"MACEDONIA WILL BE FOREVER GREEK\"
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FROM: \"Pavlos Gyparis\" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com | Save Address
DATE: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:11:35 +0300
TO: \"VMRO-MNM\" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Are FYROM\'s residents Macedonians?
? A quick review of the Fyromian web sites wil prove that they seem to be confused themselves:
Some of them believe they are descedants of ancient Macedonians Some of them beleive that they can consider themeselves Macedonians since they live in a part of what used to be ancient Macedonia Some of them believe they are Macedonians but not directly linked to ancient Macedonians Some of them believe they are Macedonians because they are free to call themselves as they like(!!!)
The official web site of the president of FYROM states clearly that these people came to Macedonia at the end 10th century:
\"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slaves go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11t, with the creation of Samoil\'s state.\"
Link: http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm
Also the first president of FYROM president Mr. Kiro Gligorov confirmed twice that they are not related to the ancient Macedonians:
\"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.\" (from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )
\"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That\'s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D).\"
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)
The following questions are obvious:
Why do you call yourselves \"Macedonians\" and your language \"Macedonian\"?
Why do you use ancient Macedonian symbols if they don\'t belong to you?
The historic truth is that the Slavs descented into the region not before the 6th century long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. They don\'t have any historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia and they would be realy foolish if they officialy claimed that they did. There is no historic or archaeological evidence connecting them with ancient Macedonia.
In any case occupying 25% of ancient Macedonian land does not give them the right to steal the Macedonian history and culture. The Macedonian civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization. This is well known and recorded in history books. It is part of Greece\'s national inheritance and it can not be used by anyone else.
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