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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 17, 10:12:32pm CST
Author: Jason Abbott
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 207.41.42.69
Subject: Re: natural tree dogs?
In reply to: Dan N 's message, "Re: natural tree dogs?" on Sun, Jun 17, 06:57:02pm CST

>>>I was just wondering if there are any Leopard strains
>>>that naturally prefer coon over trash. I'm not saying
>>>one that will never trash because I believe that
>would
>>>be a perfect dog and I personally don't think perfect
>>>tree dogs exist.
>>> I get the opinion,after reading John Wick's book'
>>>that most all dogs if just taken out to the woods
>will
>>>sort of pick what they want to run and our job as
>>>trainers is to show them what to and what not to
>>>chase. I think that's rational BUT, After reading for
>>>years on the subject of coon dogs, a lot of people
>>>make claims that these NATURALS do exist.
>>> Just give me your opinions and I'll be satisfied. I
>>>personally can't help but believe that there are dogs
>>>out there that could be selected as breeding stock
>>>that could produce pups that tend to prefer our
>>>desired game over deer or rabbit or whatever else
>>>little cursed animals plague our training endeavors.
>>> Thanks, Mike
>>I hunt mainly the midwest strain and I line breed off
>>the old Hawk dog. They make pretty good well rounded
>>dogs for me. They also seem to be pretty decent tree
>>dogs. I have found good strains of tree dogs seem to
>>be less prone to bad trash problems. Notice I did not
>>say they have never trashed! As for preffered game. In
>>these parts cats and bears just do not exist. No wild
>>hogs or gray fox either. That prety much leaves coons
>>or trash.(deer, red fox, coyote, mink)Unless a dog is
>>bad I don't consider opossum trash. Once a tree dog
>>gets use to coon it seems they forget the rest for the
>>most part. I actually don't mind a pup running rabbits
>>when they first start. A rabbit can teach a pup a lot
>>about tracking. Seems most of mine quit rabbit when
>>they get in a few hot coon chases. If not rabbit seem
>>pretty easy to break dogs from.. Ltr Perry
>
>Perry's right on that one. A lot of these leopards are
>just natural tree dogs. If they wasn't, I don't even
>know if I could get one trained or not. I have had
>real good luck with most of the ones that I have had
>in the past. Of course, not all of them make it and
>they are culled. Hunt what you like and cull the rest,
>a good dog doesn't eat any more than a bad one. Dan N

>Mike,I don't believe that there is any strain that can produce non trash runners.There are dogs in every breed that can be classified as naturals.I personally have trained one Leopard two Blueticks and one Mt.Cur that I never had to put a shock collar on for trash.I was also hunting them with dogs that run nothing but coons.Sometimes it don't matter to pups if the old dog runs it or not their still going to run it.But I believe some pups learn that the old dogs are passing the trash up and they learn to not run it that way.Most pups will run trash because theres so much of it.Talk to ya later Jason

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