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Date Posted: Wed, Jul 04, 01:00:42pm CST
Author: Fred Moyer
Author Host/IP: 207-118-127-137.dyn.centurytel.net / 207.118.127.137
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame Question
In reply to: Perry 's message, "Re: Hall of Fame Question" on Wed, Jul 04, 05:40:09am CST

>>>>>>>>>>Oh no, here we go again! Maybe there should be
>>a
>>>>>>>>>>sticky note at the top of the main forum page
>>>>>>>stating
>>>>>>>>>>that if you do not hold an official position
>>>with
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>ALCBA Inc. or do not have anything positive to
>>>>say
>>>>>>>>>>about said association, please do not post
>>>>>>>>>>here.(sarcasm)
>>>>>>>>>> I believe that good and positive results can
>>>>>come
>>>>>>>>>>from constructive critisism and negative
>>>>>statements
>>>>>>>>>>and a person doesn't neccessarily have to have
>>>>all
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>answers.
>>>>>>>>>> I may not know how to fix my computer, but
>if
>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>don't acknowledge that something is wrong AND
>>>>tell
>>>>>>>>>>someone who may have the skills to fix it, the
>>>>>>>status
>>>>>>>>>>quo result will be that I never get the darn
>>>>thing
>>>>>>>>>>repaired!
>>>>>>>>>> Perry, you did a good job of clearing up a
>>few
>>>>>>>>>>questions I had regarding David's post but I
>>>>think
>>>>>>>he
>>>>>>>>>>made an excellent point about the way voting
>>was
>>>>>>>>>>handled when he was present at that meeting
>>some
>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>>>>>back.
>>>>>>>>>> Is the voting still handled that way and
>what
>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>>>be the problem with a secret ballot to keep
>>peer
>>>>>>>>>>pressure to a minimum? I sure don't have all
>>(or
>>>>>>>any)
>>>>>>>>>>of the answers but I enjoy the discussion. ;o)
>>>>>>>>>Any member is free to nominate any dog. As for
>>>>>>secret
>>>>>>>>>ballott. I have no problem with that. We need
>>>>>>workers
>>>>>>>>>to get this done. Personally I think a seperate
>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>should be set up to oversee the process. Do I
>>>have
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>volunteer to write up a process and get it
>>>>>>presented?
>>>>>>>>>Jason you seem like a reasonable and genuine
>>>>>>>concerned
>>>>>>>>>leopard fancier. Why not get a propasal drafted
>>>>and
>>>>>>>we
>>>>>>>>>can get some of the officer and BOD to give it
>a
>>>>>>look
>>>>>>>>>see and get some opinions. Maybe we could get
>>>this
>>>>>>>>>ready for the hunt this year and use the
>process
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>the future. It may take a few test runs to get
>>it
>>>>>>>>>tweeked?? My e-mail is attached. I don't mean
>to
>>>>>put
>>>>>>>>>you on the spot but we need workers. I hope to
>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>from you. My phone # is in the year book. ANY
>>>>>member
>>>>>>>>>is welcome to call me. Thanks Perry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Perry,I'll help however I can.I'm leaving for
>>>>>Myrtle
>>>>>>>>Beach in the morning when I get back I'll get in
>>>>>>touch
>>>>>>>>with you.Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perry, I think you came down on David a little
>>>>hard.
>>>>>>>David would like to see this organization take
>off
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>be the best it can be as much as anyone. There
>>are
>>>>>>>many, many things that can be improved upon in
>any
>>>>>>>organization and this one is no different. David
>>>is
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>very clear thinker and even if you don't like
>what
>>>>he
>>>>>>>says sometimes I will forever stand behind the
>>fact
>>>>>>>that he is certainly worth hearing and the things
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>he says are definatley worth concideration. I do
>>>>>>>understand that if any one out there gets to
>catch
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>crap more often than he should, it would be
>>>>you...but
>>>>>>>you are the president and that does go with the
>>>>>>>territory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As for the statemtment itself, I think that the
>>>>short
>>>>>>>version would go something like this. Respect
>>>>equals
>>>>>>>success. Any time we can field some good old
>>>>>fasioned
>>>>>>>critisism and make something good out of it,
>>that's
>>>>>>>just what we should do. That does however mean
>>>that
>>>>>>>the status quo needs to be shifted from time to
>>>>time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Certainly a list of requirements would be a good
>>>>>thing
>>>>>>>when it comes to HOF nominations but generalizing
>>>>>>>those requirements would be neccisary and would
>>>>leave
>>>>>>>the judgments open to subjective scrutiny as it
>>>>>should
>>>>>>>be. I think it is a good idea. A vote could be
>>>>>>>attached to an anual or bi-anual news letter.
>>That
>>>>>>>would be relatively simple...just an idea. ALso,
>>>if
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>newsletter does not ever surface, it could be
>>added
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the yearbook and voted on for the previous year.
>>>>Any
>>>>>>>one alse have any more ideas? I have one more,
>>>>there
>>>>>>>could be categories. I don't know how that would
>>>>>work
>>>>>>>but it may be a concideration for an awards
>>>>program.
>>>>>>>The Plott associations seem to have gotten most
>of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>kinks worked out with this type of thing. Is
>>there
>>>>>>>anyone here that also belings to one of the Plott
>>>>>>>assoc.'s that could offer some advice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan. I did not think Perry came down too hard.
>>>>>>I started to write, more than once.
>>>>>>It would not have been polite at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am insulted by the whole smear. I was there.
>>>>>>I met David when he got out of the truck.
>>>>>>We had several conversations that weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David had made a marathon trip from Minn. to N.
>>>>>>Carolina, to Indiana. He was white as a sheet.
>>Lack
>>>>>>of sleep. We talked several times at the hunt.
>>>>>>Enjoyed visiting with him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where all this garbage comes from, I cannot guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The nominating dogs started a good while ago. To
>>>>>>honor the people who owned the dogs, more than
>the
>>>>>>dogs. People hunted several good dogs in many
>>>states
>>>>>>and promoted the breed. NO!!!! They did not win
>>>>>>anything in competition.
>>>>>>They won many new members. Many new friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Backyard Champions. That is the term someone
>>>>started.
>>>>>>It has worked well, till right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes good dogs are a nice thing. I will take a
>GOOD
>>>>>>FRIEND, over a good dog any day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I got in this breed because of the dogs. I stayed
>>>in
>>>>>>it because of the people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We had a fellow write a column for a couple of
>>>years.
>>>>>>Toughest man I ever met in my life. Polio.
>Hunted
>>>>>>with crutches. If one of his dogs had died while
>>he
>>>>>>was in the Club, I would have nominated it for the
>>>>>>hall of fame, out of respect for him. If someone
>>>had
>>>>>>bad mouthed his dog in front of that man. An
>>>>>>asswhipping would have happened. No and, if, or
>>>butts
>>>>>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What we have is far from perfect.
>>>>>>Maybe it needs major modification?
>>>>>>Volunteer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>>Jerry,
>>>>> I am not trying to be disrespectful, but unless
>>>>>that gentelman is the one breeding females and
>>>passing
>>>>>on his genes you are hurting the entire breed by
>>>>>electing a dog based on the fact the owner is one
>>>heck
>>>>>of a good guy. That has to be one of the worst
>>>>>reasons I've read for nominating a dog. We have to
>>>>>put the betterment of the breed ahead of
>>>friendships.
>>>>>We could have the nicest, hardest working guy in
>the
>>>>>club, but if his dogs don't make the breed better
>or
>>>>>exemplify the breed standards, no way he gets
>>>>>noiminated for the HOF or anything else for that
>>>>>matter, ass whopping not with standing. Fred
>>>>
>>>>I believe that this is the perfect place to stop and
>>>>think about awards categorites. A dog does not
>>belong
>>>>in the hall of fame based on it's owners value as a
>>>>human. I do agree with Jerry about giving
>>recognition
>>>>to folks who set themselves apart in some way and
>>also
>>>>the importance of people over dogs. This is
>however,
>>>>a breed assoc. and by definition is centered around
>>>>dogs first. Giving recognition to the man afflicted
>>>>with polio is something that would be more
>>>>appropiately answered with a sportsmanship award or
>>>>something of the like. If the assoc. incorporates
>>>>only one other award at the world hunt...this should
>>>>be it. I do however think there should be a
>breeders
>>>>award and/or a lifetime achievement award for which
>I
>>>>would like to nominate Ron Ganus for, right now.
>>Yes,
>>>>that goes for both categories.
>>>Dan, A worthy idea. Can we count on you to have a
>>>draft of the criteria we would use to consider an
>>>award like this?? This is a starting point. Maybe the
>>>draft could be presented to the BOD for some input
>>>prior to the World hunt? Can you get the ball rolling
>>>for us? Thanks, Perry
>>
>>10-4 Perry. I'll do some checking into some other
>>organizations that have similar awards to look at some
>>templates and get back to you.
>Fred, I finally took the time to investigate about
>Cassie not being listed in the year book in the hall
>of fame. Cassie is listed in the HOF. We have 2
>catagories. 1. World hunt winners 2 is elected.Cassie
>is under Female World Hunt winners. I used the 07
>yearbook. Perry

Thanks Perry!

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