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Subject: Re: "留根"不能留!


Author:
7A boy
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Date Posted: 18:07:01 10/13/03 Mon
In reply to: 波 's message, ""留根"不能留!" on 00:55:28 10/10/03 Fri

'如果你認為教syllabus 才是relevent, 你便大錯特錯了!'
It's the public examination that makes us focus on the relevent syllabus first rather than the irrelevent syllabus.
Actually he always hurt students but he didn't know.
One example is that, one 7A classmate want to be the class monitor a lot but he was not elected by other classmates. He asked Mr Lai for the post. Mr Lai said 'don't hurt his confidence la' and let him be the class monitor finally. But he did not think that this would let that classmate has a wrong mind: Everything he can get it even without others' support.
Another example is that, one 7A classmate want to participate in the Hong Kong Schools Speech Festival for the Chinese Public Speaking. Mr Lai thought that he is not suitable to join but he did not do anything to train him. Instead, he said 'don't hurt his confidence la' and did not let him join the competition. But he did not think that this would let that classmate has a wrong mind too: I cannot join the competition according to Mr Lai, so I am useless.
I don't know what else he did to other schoolmates, and I only urge him think more deeply about students' thoughts when doing anything further in the future.

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[> [> Subject: 以下的情節會令大家評擊我


Author:
個人意見
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Date Posted: 18:16:30 10/13/03 Mon

但我一定要講:
當你出到出面,你會感到你從未感到的人情冷暖
根叔這樣做是補償了世界教育的一個漏洞--太過保護學生
唔好話學生的自尊心重要,他其實在訓練你
這些小事也忍不到的話,你將來怎樣做大事?
[> [> [> Subject: Re:完全認同


Author:
過氣師兄
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Date Posted: 20:34:50 10/13/03 Mon

坦白說,現今的教育和社會風氣的確令青少年得到過份的保護.導致他們認為社會上的人事是100%公平的.因此一遇到不如意時便不懂得沉住氣和應變.

此外,大概由於家長的過於照顧.直接令現在個別的青少年真的裙腳得很.本人是在一間大公司工作的.早前公司為大學畢業生面試時,竟發現一些大學生在面試過程前後竟要父母陪同一起.聽一位人事部朋友說,有兩位面試者(其中一位是中大女畢業生)竟然說其實我唔想出來搵工做野咁辛苦,只不過父母要我搵工.後者更在面試過程中無端端哭.此外一些應徵者更不諱言選擇大公司是因為大公司即使表現差,都冇咁易炒云云.

這方面,我倒對聖芳濟學生感到有點高興.因為最少從九濟堂也可以看到濟記人或多或少在成長中也可以經歷和忍受一定程度的不公和怨氣.而且校方也多不會為同學解困.這其實是全人教育的一部份.沒有遭受過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的.
[> [> Subject: Re: "留根"不能留!


Author:
根's supportor
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Date Posted: 18:21:35 10/13/03 Mon

It's the public examination that makes us focus on the relevent syllabus first rather than the irrelevent syllabus.
>>所以根叔冇錯,就算係都係考試局
>>What is irrelevent syllabus again? The one provided by HKEA? BA said that if you just want to learn the so-called relevent syllabus, then go to the tutorial school instead of the school!
[> [> Subject: Re: "留根"不能留!


Author:
F7 boy
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Date Posted: 17:40:55 10/14/03 Tue

I don't expect to have so much replies on my message. Actually I just say a few words in come.to/sfxc only, so I don't think that I am 不懂得沉住氣和應變 when 遇到不如意時.
'校方多不會為同學解困.這其實是全人教育的一部份.沒有遭受過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的'
I want to ask if 校方不會為同學解困, how can the school different from the society? I agree '沒有遭受過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的', but after '遭受過風吹雨打' cannot '成長成大樹' without the school's support and education, so I cannot agree that not taking care of students is part of the education for the school. No one teaches you in the society but in the school, there should be teachers teaching students, otherwise, students will NEVER know what is going wrong and they will do wrong again in the society as they were in school.
I don't say that Mr Lai is a bad teacher. But what I want to say is only that, he should think deeply of what others think before doing anything else, not only for students. If he has his point, but he doesn't share it with others, and others cannot get his point, it will be extremely easy that others will misunderstand him and it's not good to himself.
'唔好話學生的自尊心重要,他其實在訓練你'
I am sorry. I cannot get Mr Lai's point of training the students in the example.
[> [> [> Subject: 你真有趣啦~


Author:
@o@
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Date Posted: 22:12:28 10/15/03 Wed

>I don't expect to have so much replies on my message.
>Actually I just say a few words in come.to/sfxc only,
>so I don't think that I am 不懂得沉住氣和應變 when
>遇到不如意時.

你都識講你上黎"just say a few words",證明人地回你msg唔係pinpoint你啦.
君不見九濟堂頂頭幾隻字嗎? 「公道自在人心」
至於點解咁多人回你個msg,你既留言荷刻程度可想之知。

>'校方多不會為同學解困.這其實是全人教育的一部份.沒有遭受
>過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的'
>I want to ask if 校方不會為同學解困, how can the
>school different from the society? I agree
>'沒有遭受過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的', but
>after '遭受過風吹雨打' cannot '成長成大樹' without the
>school's support and education, so I cannot agree that
>not taking care of students is part of the education
>for the school. No one teaches you in the society but
>in the school, there should be teachers teaching
>students, otherwise, students will NEVER know what is
>going wrong and they will do wrong again in the
>society as they were in school.

Wahaha~真係有趣!!你既說法好似認同佢既講法但係又唔認同佢既做法,明顯地你根本上就是一知半解。
你根本就唔明「沒有遭受過風吹雨打的花草是不會成長成大樹的」的真正意思...
試問一下你一出世時便懂得行嗎? 你學行時未嘗跌倒的滋味?
在你學行時跌倒,如果你爸爸媽媽因而一路扶住你唔比你跌,你認為你學得成走路嗎?不學會跌倒便不會學會走路,這是一個十分顯淺的道理..
正如你所說,"No one teaches you in the society but in the school",現在不讓同學在學校這相對比較安全的地方跌跌,他日出到社會時,誰來教他? 在校內時,雖然會有一d人好像你一樣只懂在別人面前扮乖仔,暗地裹卻在暗箭傷人,但是相比起社會上的爾虞我詐,學校的環境還是安全的..

>I don't say that Mr Lai is a bad teacher. But what I
>want to say is only that, he should think deeply of
>what others think before doing anything else, not only
>for students.

暗箭傷人之後話自己是無意的,勁!

If he has his point, but he doesn't
>share it with others, and others cannot get his point,
>it will be extremely easy that others will
>misunderstand him and it's not good to himself.
>'唔好話學生的自尊心重要,他其實在訓練你'
>I am sorry. I cannot get Mr Lai's point of training
>the students in the example.

我相信你是一個exceptional case.. 個個都接受到你接受唔到?
會唔會係以往你接受的都是填鴨式教育,依家比根叔教唔習慣呀?
最後有一句贈你的,「學習是自己的,別問別人可以給你什麼,應問自己想學多少」
[> [> [> [> Subject: You are funny too


Author:
F7 boy
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Date Posted: 19:09:57 10/16/03 Thu

If you talk about 學習, I just want to say learning is two-side co-operation. It's not only teachers and students' fault for the failure in learning process.
Maybe our point of view is different la.
But I don't think my words are 荷刻 wor
Actually I share the same point with you: 公道自在人心!


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