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Subject: AR vs. DW


Author:
SP
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Date Posted: 13:48:50 11/18/01 Sun
In reply to: Suky 's message, "Re: Harry Potter" on 22:43:42 11/17/01 Sat

Could your *biased* opinion be due to the fact that your still high from.....oops, never mind!

I saw a good chunk of "Thieves" today. I must confess I only watch it for Morgan Freeman and Alan Rickman. Freeman is just so superb he makes everyone look good. Alan Rickman was the icing. But I digress, again. Did anyone catch Straw Dogs last week on A&E? I must say while the violence still disturbs me, I can understand its prevailance and appreciate further Sam Peckinpah's genius.

I perceived much symbolism in the movie this time around but now I've forgotten all of my observations so I can't impress anyone. (OH WELL)

PS...I'm biased too :D

>SP!!!! Welcome back! I missed you.

Missed you too! :)
>
>>First...let me say ALAN RICKMAN LOOKS SO HOT IN THOSE
>>commercials....
>
>I won't argue with you there! I can't wait to see the
>movie. (After the crowds die down.) Has anybody seen
>it yet? Coincidentally, he's on right now in Robin
>Hood: Prince of Thieves on the WB. This movie gets
>worse every time I see it ... except for Alan Rickman,
>of course. He's just too cool (Warnerian, as you put
>it)--the movie's only redeeming quality.
>
>However, I'm still trying to see the physical
>resemblance between them, if there is one! Is it just
>their knack for playing memorable bad guys? And they
>both have those rich, deep voices ... The makers of
>Quest of the Delta Knights must've seen some
>resemblance since they seemed to be trying to get DW
>to recreate AR's Sheriff of Nottingham.
>
>Something else that boggles me: DW himself said,
>"People ask crazy questions, they say to me, 'David,
>why did you do that terrible load of rubbish?,' as if
>I had just turned down everything that ... Alan
>Rickman had been in." Interesting he should mention
>him. So why *is* AR getting all these great roles
>while DW is getting "loads of rubbish," especially if
>people can't tell them apart? As great as AR is in
>some roles (the Sheriff, Galaxy Quest, Sense and
>Sensibility, Closet Land ...), I don't think I'm
>biased when I say that DW is the vastly superior and
>more versatile actor. AR has failed to convince me in
>several of his roles (am I the only one who doesn't
>care for him in Die Hard??), whereas DW is believable
>in almost everything he does. (I can only think of one
>exception out of probably a hundred performances I've
>seen--and it's probably just me. I just can't buy him
>as the nasty child psychologist in Tales from the
>Crypt!)
>
>And, BTW, this Robin Hood is a load of rubbish! But
>AR performs a Warnerian feat by making it seem like an
>entirely different movie every time he comes on the
>screen. (OK, the script is still bad, but he makes
>you forget!)

Yup.

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Suky
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Date Posted: 20:56:16 11/18/01 Sun

>Could your *biased* opinion be due to the fact that
>your still high from.....oops, never mind!

Well, I *could* be ... but I'm not! ;-) I've loved Alan Rickman since first seeing him in Robin Hood but have never thought he was quite as good an actor as DW. Is it just me, or does it seem like he sometimes speaks with a weird, sort of halting cadence? I found it especially distracting in The January Man and Die Hard. Plus I have this thing against phony accents (his American accent was much better than his German one in Die Hard, IMHO). I was glad DW didn't try to effect an accent in the Holocaust!

Watching the ending last night (I'd already turned off the computer, or I'd have stopped back in to blather some more!), I noticed something else they have in common: Both look awesome in black! Hey, do you suppose DW took fencing lessons at RADA? A medieval Joshua Sloane versus the Sheriff of Nottingham!

And speaking of Delta Knights ripping off Robin Hood, does it seem to you that Robin Hood ripped off ... Time After Time? "George"'s (the sheriff) confession to that little girl about his terrible childhood reminded me an awful lot of Stevenson's "My mother was a rather atrocious woman" line ... trying to make you feel a bit sorry for the villain. Especially since in both movies it comes as he's dragging the girl off with him, only to be thwarted by the hero. (And the part where he says he wants to have something "pure" for once reminded me of the scene where Stevenson and Wells are negotiating for Amy's release and DW gets that painfully sad look in his eyes, as if he momentarily envies Wells's ability to love ... They're both trying to show the villain's human side, only in Robin Hood, it seemed trite.)

>Did anyone catch Straw Dogs last week on A&E?

I missed it, but I really should watch it again. It's been so many years since I last(/first) saw it. I know I thought it was excellent and was very touched by DW's performance as Henry, but I don't remember picking up on any symbolism. I was too young, I guess! If you remember what the symbolism was, please let us know. (I'm impressed that you picked up on any!)

Did they actually show the whole thing uncut??

BTW, I found this really great new Alan Rickman site, if anyone's interested (and isn't aware of it yet):

http://www.cybamuse.com/movieThemes/actors/arickman/

I'd post my relevant comments on their chatboard, but I barely have enough time to keep up with this one ... plus the level of discourse isn't quite what it is here! :-)

BTW, Entertainment Weekly's review of the movie singles AR out for praise among the adult cast members, saying, "Rickman is practically incandescent with purpose; he emits a high-voltage zap of electricity with every glare." (DW has a great glare too!)

They've actually got a little AR database on the site (you can even sign up to get news updates about him e-mailed to you), and you can look up other actors as well ... but, of course, when I looked up David Warner, they had no information about him whatever, which reminded me of why I let my subscription lapse. I don't think he was ever once mentioned in the magazine in the five or six years I subscribed. What is this apparent prejudice against him in Hollywood? Did he forget to pay his SAG dues or something? Harry Potter has *such* a cool cast (John Hurt, John Cleese, Robbie Coltraine, Richard Harris, Ian Hart ... Rik Mayall was even supposed to be in it, but I think his character got cut); the only person missing from it (conspicuously, IMHO) is DW!
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Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 21:02:22 11/18/01 Sun

Whoa, sorry that message was so long! Hate to do this, but one important part of my message got deleted (I forgot the message board reads < and > symbols as HTML!). I meant to insert in that second paragraph: <imagining a great swashbuckling swordfight between AR and DW>)

I'll shut up now!



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