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Subject: thank you for the warm welcome back Suky and Melissa


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SP
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Date Posted: 17:38:09 11/19/01 Mon
In reply to: Melissa 's message, "Re: Harry Potter" on 09:38:24 11/19/01 Mon

I prefer DW also. I really wish he'd gotten a part in Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. I do want to see 'Rings' but I already see a couple things "wrong" with it. *I'm so contrary!*

First, the actor playing Aragorn/Strider is too young. the character in the book was in his 40s. (If you've never heard John Hurt voice him in Ralph Bakshi's animated version, try to find it...it's nice.)

Second and more blaringly I disagree with the choice of Liv Tyler as Arwen. I don't feel she has the presence for it...also, in the book Arwen is a minor, minor character. Tolkien really didn't use women much in his novels. But visually the movie looks very impressive. I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE MY 'PUTER BACK....

Your lesson? If you ever have to reinstall windows, DO NOT PARTITION!!!

That is all.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Further comparisons (stop me if you've had enough!)


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 10:28:56 11/20/01 Tue

The nice thing about Harry Potter is that the director, Chris Columbus, was a fan of the books and strove to be as faithful to them as possible. He even felt bad about having to leave some scenes out. The author, J. K. Rowling was consulted every step of the way on the script, and she even had a hand in the casting. Unfortunately, Tolkien is no longer here to do the same for LOTR.

>(If you've
>never heard John Hurt voice him in Ralph Bakshi's
>animated version, try to find it...it's nice.)

I've seen it (in the theatre, when it was first released!), but it was so long ago, I can't remember it anymore.

>Second and more blaringly I disagree with the choice
>of Liv Tyler as Arwen. I don't feel she has the
>presence for it...also, in the book Arwen is a minor,
>minor character. Tolkien really didn't use women much
>in his novels.

I'm sure political correctness is the reason they expanded her character, which is unfortunate. And, of course, they're worried about making money and so wouldn't have the courage to cast a total unknown in the role. (Hey, if it flops, maybe directors will take a lesson from Chris Columbus and stop tampering with perfection!)

> I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE MY 'PUTER BACK....

I'm glad too! I was worried we wouldn't be hearing from you again for a long time!

>Your lesson? If you ever have to reinstall windows, DO
>NOT PARTITION!!!

Heed her warning, all ... My dad once made this same error! It can really screw up your computer. Wouldn't want to lose anyone else here!

Hey, I just read one more thing that AR and DW have in common: They *both* hate being typecast as villains. (I think AR had better get used to it for a while though--I read that he's signed on for the next Harry Potter, and the goal is to keep the same cast for all seven films! I haven't read the books, however ... how bad a villain is Snape anyway? And is there a character in the books that's just crying out for DW to play it?)

I suppose any actor would hate being typecast as *anything*, but, watching E!'s Mysteries and Scandals, I found it interesting that Vincent Price actually sought out his niche as a villain. And I don't think anyone ever believed he was a villain in real life as a result. The best movie villains are *always* the opposite of their characters. That's what makes the characters so interesting. It's unfortunate that being so good at something ends up getting you typecast.

On the good-guy side, though, I just watched Zoya for the first time and ... doesn't Prince Vladimir remind you of Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility? Except Zoya never comes to her "senses"!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ah, Colonel Brandon!


Author:
Melissa
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Date Posted: 11:40:38 11/20/01 Tue

Oh, Suky, isn't AR just heavenly in 'Sense & Sensibility'?
That's my favorite AR role. DW would have been a wonderful Brandon say 15 years ago.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Zoya was an ignorant slut


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With a message subject like this? Who else but your SP
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Date Posted: 15:56:02 11/20/01 Tue

I cringingly sat through it just to see him...*he was so handsome and debonair*....and that stupid **** didn't want him???? Was she blind AND stupid???

There are several roles I'd like to see DW in...all of my own creation.....alas.

Vincent Price was nothing like his evil film portrayals...I've only heard the most sterling testimony as to his nature and character.

He was a wonderful actor and a lovely man. I miss him as an actor. He was fun to watch.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Brandon versus Vladimir


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 21:28:32 11/26/01 Mon

<sigh> Yes, Col. Brandon ... The sisters in Sense and Sensibility reminded me so much of my own sister and me; I was the Kate Winslet character! Except for one thing: I'd have fallen in love with Col. Brandon, and there'd have been no plot. Or at least it would have been a much different plot ... when Prince Vladimir came knocking at the door ... challenging Brandon to an awesome swashbuckling fencing duel! ;-)

DW and AR were miscast in those roles, weren't they? And Zoya didn't "endeavor to deserve" a guy like Vladimir anyway!

>Vincent Price was nothing like his evil film
>portrayals...I've only heard the most sterling
>testimony as to his nature and character.

Peter Cushing was another horror veteran whose kindness everyone (even DW) raved about. Another of my heroes.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Fencing


Author:
Cinéphilia
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Date Posted: 14:56:38 11/20/01 Tue

Fencing classes used to be mandatory at the RADA.

LOTR's director, Peter Jackson, made "Heavenly Creatures", an excellent film with a very young Kate Winslet. Chris Columbus has yet to make anything of that caliber.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing


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Suky
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Date Posted: 21:16:35 11/26/01 Mon

>Fencing classes used to be mandatory at the RADA.

Alas, I don't think we've ever gotten to see DW utilize his fencing skills on film, have we? Of course, even he and AR could never top the classic Errol Flynn/Basil Rathbone showdown in the original Adventures of Robin Hood. (BTW, Robin Hood: Men in Tights was on the other night. What a great spoof. And Cary Elwes was perfect in the title role!)

BTW, Alan Rickman went to RADA too ... Although he and DW are only five years apart in age, AR didn't attend until about 1971, according to the bio on that website. (He went to art college first.)

>LOTR's director, Peter Jackson, made "Heavenly
>Creatures", an excellent film with a very young Kate
>Winslet. Chris Columbus has yet to make anything of
>that caliber.

I was just reading that Jackson is a fan of the LOTR books and made an effort to be faithful to them, so the outlook for that film is pretty good.

Meanwhile, Chris Columbus made Home Alone and Mrs. Doubtfire! I heard he got the job because he's good with kids. And also he promised to be faithful to the books and hire an all-British cast (he's an Anglophile), which won Jo Rowling's approval.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing


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Cinéphilia
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Date Posted: 06:00:25 11/28/01 Wed

DW did get to use his fencing skills in "Hamlet". Alas, we'll probably never have the chance to see that...

Who knows ? Perhaps he did get to use cutlery in a creative, flamboyant way in "Michael Kohlhaas der Rebell" ?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing


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Suky
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Date Posted: 13:07:18 12/03/01 Mon

>Who knows ? Perhaps he did get to use cutlery in a
>creative, flamboyant way in "Michael Kohlhaas der
>Rebell" ?

Well, I wasn't so sure before, but now you've convinced me ... MUST ... SEE ... THIS ... FILM!



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