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Subject: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:13:23 04/08/24 Mon


Lot of hand-wringing on the Ivy boards about losing some of our outstanding freshmen players to NIL deals at higher programs.

I'll throw this one out for you--Dartmouth first year softball pitcher Jensin Hall.

She no-hit Yale last week and struck out 17 players in a 7-inning shutout win against Brown this past weekend. She has 112 strikeouts so far for the season--which is pretty close to double the numbers of the second-place leader in the stat.

Dartmouth played a pretty competitive non-league schedule, so her overall numbers aren't leading the league. But since conference play began, she's been kicking the **** out of competition.

Hope we don't lose her!!

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[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:19:03 04/08/24 Mon

No disrespect to the fine women who play softball in the Ivy League, but if we lose a star freshman pitcher to the NIL transfer portal, we might as well just shut down the conference. That is, if we can't hang onto a softball player, we won't be able to hang onto anybody.

Think about how much the world has changed for college coaches.

Just three years ago, if a kid committed to you as a high school recruit, you owned that kid. You could yell at that kid, make his life miserable, not play him -- and he was pretty much stuck in your program.

And it's not just football and men's basketball; it's a lot of sports you wouldn't expect. Think about Katey Stone at Harvard. She was some kind of wannabe abuser way beyond the desire to win hockey games. I think that, historically, some people, especially men, went into coaching because they got off on yelling at people. I mean, got off on it.

Today, the moment that kid throws a no-hitter or makes ten three-pointers in a game, now the Hsu is on the other foot. The player has all the leverage and the coach is reverted back to recruiting the kid -- every single day, in every game, in every practice.
[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 12:20:05 04/08/24 Mon

If you follow the sport of softball as Go Green and I do, then you would understand that this young lady's pitching stats are so unbelievably great that it is highly likely that every Top Twenty Ranked college softball team in the USA will be interested in her. Seventeen strikeouts in a seven inning softball no-hitter game is at least the equivalent of let's say, a 40 or 50 point college basketball game.
[> [> Subject: Definitely a nice run!!


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:34:14 04/08/24 Mon


She's also 3-0 (all shutouts) in Ivy play.

We will see if she can keep it up!!
[> [> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:02:22 04/08/24 Mon

I don't question that young Miss Hall is an extraordinary talent. I can do the math: Seven innings * three outs per inning = 21 total outs in a regulation game (only 18 if the home team does not need to bat in the bottom of the seventh)

Therefore, 17 strikeouts = kick ass.

At the same time, you know as a self-professed softball fan that these wonderful pitchers are actually not that rare. The 40- or especially the 50-point college basketball scorer is a reach, a significant reach.

The top top softball pitchers are a threat to throw a no-hitter every time that they enter the circle, especially if she has the bats on her roster to create the chance of a mercy-rule win after five innings. The best softball pitchers over a period of four years will throw several no-hitters. It's not a question of "if," it's "when."

The broader point I was trying to make is that we know there is enough money sloshing around in football and men's basketball to steal our best players. If there is already enough money in softball to steal our best kids, we're done for as a serious Divison I conference. Our sales pitch for the last seven decades was, "We offer the best education and the most valuable network in America."

If that's not enough to keep a softball pitcher in Hanover, it's gonna be a long long season in Hanover from now on.
[> [> [> Subject: You got me curious...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:23:25 04/08/24 Mon


But yes -- three times in NCAA history has a pitcher struck out all 21 batters in a 7-inning softball game.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/college-softball-pitcher-struck-21-161315870.html
[> [> [> [> Subject: I didn't write that correctly


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:26:17 04/08/24 Mon


Only one of those three games was a perfect game.

For the other two, the pitcher obtained all 21 outs from the other team by strikeout.
[> Subject: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:20:02 04/08/24 Mon

Nobody can predict how the impact of NIL deals and the transfer portal will shake out over the next few years.

But I'll make one bold prediction: If the Dartmouth softball program can't keep young Miss Jensin Hall in Hanover, then Tommy Amaker's days as a competitive force in this League are over.

More than any coach in any sport in the conference, Amaker built his Harvard program on the core strategy of recruiting players who didn't "belong" in the Ivy League. He was bringing in high major guys into a mid-major conference with the promise of a Harvard degree, the equivalent of a full ride athletic scholarship via financial aid, and the chance to take advantage of other highly ranked recruits who were willing to make the same commitment to yield conference championships and NCAA tournament bids.

If we can't even keep promising SOFTBALL players in our conference, Amaker's whole strategy is out the window.
[> [> Subject: Re: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard


Author:
Livvy
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Date Posted: 14:54:59 04/08/24 Mon

I see what you did there AO. Putting the word softball in all caps. The subtle misogyny. Well played
[> [> [> Subject: Re: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 22:56:22 04/08/24 Mon

Hi, Livvy and whatever different name you choose for your next post as well as your third name for the post after that,

I think most readers would infer that I referred to SOFTBALL as a low revenue sport with limited NIL potential and no professional prospects. That is, a sport in which a Top 20 team could not simply buy a promising Ivy player with a big offer from the school collective.

But you chose to read SOFTBALL as misogynistic in intent. I think you owe me the courtesy of an explication. If you're going to impugn somebody's motives, explaining your train of thought is in order.
[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 19:07:58 04/08/24 Mon

Give up a Dartmouth education to play softball at Florida State or Texas A&M???? Women's softball is an awesome sport and try getting a hit off one of those fast pitch ladies? I am sure I would go 0-3 swinging at bat against any of those pitchers. But in reality giving up an Ivy League education for short-term NIL money is just a dumb move.
[> [> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:31:35 04/09/24 Tue


To be sure, there is no indication that Hall is considering entering the portal (which does exist, although you need a subscription to follow it). I'm just throwing out that she's performing in a way comparable to some of the Ivy basketball guys who have entered the portal.

Best I can tell, she's happy at Dartmouth.

And as to AO's wondering whether there's enough NIL money in softball to move the transfer needle beyond what can be expected in any other year (i.e., players want to be closer to home, unhappy with current situation for whatever reason, etc.), I have no idea.

Definitely bears watching, though...
[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached?


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 09:21:13 04/09/24 Tue

The underlying conceit that The Ivy League confers the same status upon its graduates as it once did is the issue.

Given that legacy admissions are on the way out - making alumni loyalty a one way street; and meritocracy has been given a back seat recently - not to mention mealy-mouthed leadership - it seems like the big sales issue for the Ivies right now are the legacy brand names.

Then again, A&P was a big brand in the USA at one point. As were Xerox and Kodak.

Spalding was once the pre-eminent sporting goods brand.
Compaq defined "laptop" computing.
Yahoo! was the search engine du jour.

Nothing is forever. Adapt or perish.
[> [> Subject: Just an update — legacies


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 10:44:09 04/09/24 Tue

If you missed it, Princeton has very bluntly and very publicly reconfirmed its policy on legacies, which will be unchanged as other tweaks are made in admissions.

It should be emphasized the trustees, whose oversight of admissions is generally strong anyway, went to the trouble of a special ad hoc committee just to emphasize the seriousness of the outcome. This result is clearly not going to change. It is explicitly a tie-breaker, and as far as I can tell, is currently used in that way only.

What effect it has on other institutions will be of interest. Princeton has certainly given them cover if they want it.

Another small note for sports fans. Transfer acceptances will be increased, mainly for veterans, juco grads, and others who’ve never before applied. The program has, from what I hear, been a huge success.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2024/03/26/princeton-university-admissions-to-continue-considering-legacy-status/?sh=dc91478150c7
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Just an update — legacies


Author:
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Date Posted: 11:53:22 04/09/24 Tue

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Just an update — legacies


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 13:17:20 04/09/24 Tue

I never said any such thing. Read carefully for a change, and stop putting words in other people’s mouths.
[> [> [> [> Subject: you mean this Coeur D'Alene


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Date Posted: 13:55:33 04/09/24 Tue

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