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Subject: Brown @ Princeton Author: Moonbear [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 19:15:01 10/18/24 Fri Bears look awful so far. Princeton scored on a 4th and 1 rush up the middle from 60+ yards out. Brown was a quick 3-and-out. It’s hard to get too upset when Perry always has his team fighting until the very end, but these early holes they dig themselves into will prove fatal eventually. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Moonbear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:23:00 10/18/24 Fri Another Princeton TD. Bears getting eviscerated by the conference’s worst offense. Not good!

[> [> Subject: Not a good start for Brown Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:41:01 10/18/24 Fri If Brown doesn't play better, Perry may turn out to be another Dave Archer--one big win a year but didn't win consistently enough.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Not a good start for Brown Author: Moonbear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:45:14 10/18/24 Fri Really felt like this year would be the breakthrough. Not looking that way so far. The offense has taken a major step back with the loss of a couple great receivers and the defense isn’t consistent at all.

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Moonbear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:55:55 10/18/24 Fri Now THERE’S the Brown offense we’re accustomed to. 19-7 Tigers midway through the second quarter. Bears have a pulse but desperately need some stops on defense.

[> [> Subject: 22-7 Princeton at half Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:27:30 10/18/24 Fri Remember - Dartmouth LAUGHS at a measly 15 point deficit. :)

[> [> [> Subject: 29-17 Princeton Final Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:11:59 10/18/24 Fri Good on Surace for still keeping the "BT" sticker on his headset!

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 29-17 Princeton Final Author: Jerrylh [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:40:03 10/18/24 Fri Tigers were very fortunate to win this one. For the past year, it is a given that Princeton performs well in the first half, but bogs down in the second half.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 29-17 Princeton Final Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:57:12 10/18/24 Fri With a QB we would be a threat If we stick with our current starter we can only to so far Throwing a pic when you are inside the 5 yard line is ridiculous Go Quakers Beat Columbia and create some more excitement

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 29-17 Princeton Final Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:11:37 10/18/24 Fri Even Jon Lovett did that, once, I think. But now it is a weekly occurrence. Someone said they thought he was not seeing the field well. That makes sense to me, although we are also seeing lack of football awareness, like throwing the ball OB instead of holding onto it when you are trying to run the clock in final minutes. I would actually like to see him as a RB.

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Grin and Bear it (Sad) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:28:34 10/18/24 Fri Brown's performance tonight was sad, real sad. It was one error after another. In an earlier posting I sang the praises of Mat Childs. And while I still think he will be a great player in this league, tonight he showed that he is still very raw. His two fumbles were a killer, and one look at him on the sidelines showed that he knew it all too well. But what is really puzzling is why Brown's defense continues to make the same errors. For one thing, they never blitz the QB. And when I say never, I mean never. Additionally, there were so many missed tackles tonight, I stopped counting. The defensive coordinator is going to cost Perry his job. Like GG said, perhaps Perry is the next Archer, one big win and the rest disappointing. One other thing that should have been corrected by now, Wilcox was constantly running for his life. On the other hand, the Princeton QB had a lifetime to throw or run. Perhaps this would not have been the case had Brown blitz on occasion. Sad, real Sad. Get rid of the DQ asap and don't consider Perry to be indispensable. So far, he has failed to impress.

[> [> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Ever True [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:42:42 10/19/24 Sat As I look around the league, it's difficult for me to see where another win will come from. However, I felt that way last year and they managed to beat Penn and Columbia on the road. The Ivy schedule is filled with surprises. FWIW, I was more disappointed with the offense than the defense, which kept us hanging around despite 5 turnovers from the offense. The fumbles were killer, but equally bad were the first two interceptions from Willcox, the first of which set up a Princeton touchdown, the second of which brought a successful drive at the end of the first half to a screaming halt. Childs is very raw, but Willcox is in his third season as starter. I imagine Perry will be around for the foreseeable future. He has brought the team back to respectability after the nadir of the late Estes years and he has a new indoor practice facility on the way. Brown Athletics has shown a good deal of loyalty to the prodigal sons who make their way back to College Hill - case in point, Brandon Whittet, who still finds himself gainfully employed despite years of mediocrity. Underclassmen and juniors are contributing on this team, which provides hope for the future. That being said, it's too early to write off this team. They can score in bunches and if they eliminate the self-inflicted wounds, they may surprise a team or two this fall.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Moonbear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:40:33 10/19/24 Sat “Mediocrity” is too kind a description for Brendan Whittet, who has amassed a career winning percentage around .350 over his 14 seasons at Brown. Many of us would kill for such job security.

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: P-Fan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:37:07 10/19/24 Sat Agree with M3. Hipa, while a good athlete, is not very disciplined at critical times. However, IMO that INT he threw in the end zone was really a bad coaching decision. They had 1st and goal at the two. The first run went nowhere. My beef is with the OC. Knowing you have a young QB who has thrown numerous picks, just run the ball three more times. The worst case scenario is that Brown gets the ball somewhere around the two. While Hipa did play better, I just haven't seen the consistency that could help the Tigers down the stretch. And it was me that said it seems like he doesn't see the field well. Surace though, seems to have decided that he's sinking or swimming with Hipa. It's also frustrating to see Volker constantly being injured. The D, for the most part, did a good job and made some big plays late in the game. I do agree that the season will be decided on how well Hipa plays these last five games.

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:44:45 10/19/24 Sat Hipa s. long throws downfield are just a series of Hail Marys Field presence is poor Don't see where he is going to take us this year or (gulp) next Throwing the ball on the 2 yard line with Clark at running back is just silly Hint, you don't have to run him between the tackles into a mass of flesh

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Moonbear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:55:47 10/19/24 Sat Final thoughts from last night: Brown probably is the better team, but the number of self-inflicted wounds was simply too large to overcome. Princeton’s defense looks strong, as usual, but I’m not sure they’ll be able to score much against better defenses in the Ivy. Disappointing loss for the Bears. This is the kind of game we’re supposed to be past at this stage in the Perry era. We had a prime opportunity to start 2-0 and stay in the title mix. Now, we’re likely on the outside looking in barring a miraculous 5-0 finish. If this ends in another 2-5 or even 3-4 finish, I fear Perry’s seat will start to warm as he’s going to have to rebuild most of the offense next year with the QB, top WR, and multiple OL graduating.

[> [> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: Brown Fan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:14:50 10/20/24 Sun Princeton Stadium has been a nightmare for Brown for decades. Since and including 1998, Brown has won there twice (in 2008 and 2010). Friday night was more of the same.

[> Subject: Re: Brown @ Princeton Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:35:16 10/19/24 Sat Two added notes: If Princeton does have a successful season, the turning point came with its fourth quarter caused fumble followed by a 73-yard TD drive, including a great TD call. I’m trying to figure if I’ve ever seen a game with 23 possessions. The defenses must have been utterly discombobulated by the end.

[> Subject: Miscellany Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:54:59 10/23/24 Wed I think Princeton will be underdogs in at least 4 of its remaining 5 games. I think that Relative Game Day Availability will be a factor in some --many?-- Ivy games the rest of the way. Impressed by DC's success so far with a backup QB. Anyone know Volker's status? Perry may turn out to be another Archer. But he may be another Teevens Part II. After the latter's return, DC endured 6 straight losing Ivy season, but eventually turned it around to great success until his catastrophic accident and tragic loss. The program's continued high performance, especially under terrible circumstances, is a huge part of his legacy, IMO, as well as a tribute to and by the DC staff and roster. Whether Brown turns it around remains to be seen, and might even be doubtful, but I wouldn't rule out improvement under Perry if Brown sticks with him the way DC did with Teevens. Surace is a great guy who has spoken with great warmth about Teevens, publicly and privately. No surprise about the headset sticker. Speaking of Surace, he has done a great job in taking advantage of P's advantages and trying to overcome the obstacles he faces at Princeton. Only Colman (from '57-'68) has as many Ivy titles at P after decades of mediocrity punctuated by too few good seasons and titles -- going back over 50 years. I credit Walters for making the hire. This year we will have to fight uphill for a winning League record against a pretty well balanced, talented Ivy slate.