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Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Old Lion (4 game limit) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:42:36 08/17/25 Sun In reply to: ungvar 's message, "Two new Columbia commits" on 13:29:50 06/30/25 Mon In the most recent podcast from Jake, an interview with Coach Poppe, an interesting fact emerged: Coach tells recruits that no matter how good they are, they will not see the field for more than 4 games during their first year. In that way, they can preserve a redshirt PG year after they play their senior seasons for us and do not need to transfer if they want to play for a major D1 program after they finish their Columbia careers. That to me shows great consideration for recruits and first year players who want to go ivy but still would like a crack at a major program after they get their Columbia degrees. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: NYCblue [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:49:34 08/17/25 Sun Flip side. If they are clearly better players than other players on the roster, then the coach isn't putting the best players on the field to win games.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Old Lion (long view) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:23:05 08/17/25 Sun I think coach is taking the long view. Hold out first years until the last 4 games of the season—give them time to get used to the college game. and how many first years are ready to play right away anyway. Otherwise you don’t get the senior year out of really top flight guys who feel as if they have to transfer in order to showcase their NFL potential.

[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Dr V [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:19:40 08/17/25 Sun If I recall correctly, what the coach said is that he hasn't and wouldn't play a first year player more than 4 games unless first discussed with the parents and player. However, the 4 game rule does not apply to any post-season games, so a first year could play 4 regular season games, then play in a post-season and yet retain his eligibility for a 5th year. It's mind bending how much more complicated college coaching has become with NIL, the transfer portal, having to be cognizant of the 4 game rule etc. etc.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:38:25 08/17/25 Sun I applaud the coach's forthrightness. But I would expect that any player who thinks he is good enough to play a lot as a freshman would elect to go elsewhere.

[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:35:59 08/18/25 Mon Plenty of examples in the league of first year controbutors 2 last year on Columbia’s defense alone

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Old Lion (managing 4 game limit) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:01:34 08/19/25 Tue Assume that the last 4 games of a season are Cornell, Brown, Harvard and Yale. Assume that 3 of the first 4 games are non-league games. Then if a first year is ready to contribute in a major way he could be used for our 3 most formidable opponents (H,Y,D) plus one other game and held out of the rest. Or just play him in the last 4 games of the season, when he should be more acclimated to college ball.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:20:08 08/19/25 Tue This is a price Ivy football pays in the current world. If Dr. V is correct, then post-season play does not count to the 4 games. But I think JV games do count, for the schools that still play a few of these a season anymore. if any still do. But here is another question: suppose a kid is induced to go Ivy after the HC promises to play him no more than 4 games as a freshman and keeps his promise. This preserves the kid's ability to get his Ivy degree and a grad year elsewhere. And then a year or two later into his Ivy career, the kid decides he wants to transfer before his Ivy degree after all and get more years (and presumably consideration) playing elsewhere. What stops him from doing so? Nothing. The current situation in "amateur" college athletics is more freewheeling than pro sports. In the latter, a team can sign you to a multi-year contract. College kids are free agents every year. The NCAA may have put a limit on the number of transfers a kid can make without sitting out a year, but that is a limited restriction to me.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:25:16 08/20/25 Wed I am fine with letting players (the market) decide when to stay/go. If the allure of big-time money is more than the long term value of an IL degree so be it I really do think the oppty to play a post grad year is a unique and valuable feature of Ivy football. It is hard for recent grads in the job market right now. Would much rather be trying to land something with a Columbia degree and network to leverage than FBS U degree should the nfl pipe dream not work out

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Old Lion (The laundry) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:18:13 08/20/25 Wed This is like rooting for the laundry, as Jerry Seinfeld once put it in commenting on free agency in baseball; and I hope the IL never permits free agency and cash stipends.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:39:25 08/20/25 Wed As I have pointed out before the IL has no say on transfers (out) or NIL payouts to student athletes. And at least a few are not adverse to bringing in a transfer via the portal after one year elsewhere

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:30:25 08/20/25 Wed Someone correct me if wrong, but I am not aware of any prohibition on schools signing multiyear contracts with athletes.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:07:36 08/20/25 Wed This may or may not be so, I don't know. Maybe it will happen down the road. But my larger, unstated point is, as a practical matter, in my opinion, it is currently very unlikely to happen. If Notre Dame, say, asked for a 4 year contract, the kid can turn to another school to preserve his flexibility. It will be interesting to see if any school seeks to be the first or first few to try this; right now it is not happening as far as I know.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: According to Mr. Google Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:17:33 08/20/25 Wed "Wisconsin: A two-year revenue-sharing agreement exists, utilizing a Big Ten-issued template form, though a specific player, Xavier Lucas, has opted to leave without entering the transfer portal despite being bound by this agreement. Duke: Duke quarterback Darien Mensah has a two-year deal valued at $4 million per year. BYU: Basketball star AJ Dybantsa had an approximate asking price of $5 million before signing with BYU, though the duration of that specific agreement is not explicitly stated in the provided text. Texas Tech: Five-star offensive line prospect Felix Ojo has a three-year deal averaging $775,000 annually with a verbal understanding that Texas Tech will renegotiate up to $5 million. USC: JuJu Watkins, a women's basketball star, has agreed to a multiyear contract extension with Nike, which is described as one of the richest shoe endorsement deals in women's basketball. North Carolina: Freshman Caleb Wilson has reportedly signed a multi-year and multimillion-dollar shoe deal with New Balance." As with other pro teams (no pun here), there are risks to both parties in signing such agreements (player: injury risk; team: performance risk). Who knows what will develop, and we can certainly look forward to more litigation, but my bet would be a path that mirrors traditional pro sports franchises.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: According to Mr. Google Author: Bengsl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:21:01 08/20/25 Wed I am already behind the times! Thanks. This may spread more quickly than I apparently erroneously thought. I wonder how widespread it is now.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Nature Abhors A Vaccuum. So Does Capitalism. Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:59:46 08/20/25 Wed No shame in being behind the times, Bengal. "The times" are changing as fast as human imagination and the profit motive can merge. The rules, in part because there are almost none in college sports, are evolving faster than we fans can follow.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nature Abhors A Vaccuum. So Does Capitalism. Author: Thoughtswhileshaving [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:48:40 08/21/25 Thu Very cogent points. The times they are a changing. And changing faster that Livvy can change into an orange dress.