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Date Posted: 06/ 8/07 1:24:06pm
Author: Markm
Subject: Re: More Antler restriction area proposed
In reply to: Jim 's message, "Re: More Antler restriction area proposed" on 06/ 6/07 5:06:38pm

I don't think anyone disagrees we need to make some changes, what I personally disagree with is not having Data to make the Right change, also, FWC want's this to happen ASAP, something I'm not for is a RUSH game! As Jim stated, back in 03 we were assured we would have some data to work from in a few years, either it's to early or their data doesn't add up like they would like it to! I was at a Wildlife initive forum this week and it was said by a bioligist that 3-5 years was needed to weigh in on any changes, mostly because Mother nature is a big part of how it will work!

Let's get some REAL Data, make the right choice for the Hunters and the Herd, If we do it right, the first time that is, we'll all have meat in our freezer and Our children will have good hunting in their time!

We will be far better off if we do it right, then if we start adding rules and find out that nothing has changed in the next three years with out any Data from which to work from, then what, do we step back and punt again!

We have a good group at the FWC, we just need to Slow them down and get everyone on the same page, Politics can't be the solution nor should it be the reason!

Mark

>>Jim,
>>
>>I understand where you are coming form with lack of
>>data, or data that is twisted. I'm still not sure
>>where you got that only 2%-3% of hunter take more than
>>1 deer.
>
>*** This is what was reported to us by the FWC at the
>stakeholder meeting. I certainly would have a clue
>otherwise, I just repeating when they tell me. I've
>personally only killed more than 1 deer in a year
>twice in my life and one of those was in Missouri in
>the late 80's. ***
>
>According to the data that was presented in
>>the deer options appapproximately 10% of deer hunters
>>harvested more than two antlered deer. Following is a
>>quote form the deer options:
>
>*** What are these "deer options" and where did they
>come from. Because I would love to see that data. How
>many did you kill this season, and last year and the
>year before?
>Personally I've had a few dry seasons up until this
>last one***
>
>>
>>"Options S2 and S3 include a statewide limit of two
>>antlered deer per hunter. During the 2000-2001 hunting
>>season approximately 10% of deer hunters harvested
>>more than two antlered deer, constituting about 23% of
>>the antlered deer harvest.
>
>*** That's about 15,000 hunters if they amount of
>hunting licenses sold can be trusted. Which would
>suggest they killed 45,000 deer. and Total statewide
>harvest would have been approximately 180,000 bucks!!
>***
>If a bag limit of two
>>antlered
>>deer had been in place that year approximately 17,000
>>fewer bucks would have been harvested, the majority of
>>which would had been available the next year as older,
>>larger antlered deer.
>>Option S3 includes an additional restriction in that
>>one of the two antlered deer harvested would have to
>>have three or more points on one antler. This would
>>restrict harvest
>>and protect more bucks, although an estimate of the
>>number cannot be calculated.
>>Options S4 and S5 include a statewide limit of three
>>antlered deer per hunter. During the 2000-2001 hunting
>>season approximately 4% of deer hunters harvested more
>>than three antlered deer, constituting about 12% of
>>the antlered deer harvest. If a bag limit of three
>>antlered deer had been in place that year
>>approximately 9,000 fewer bucks would have been
>>harvested."
>>
>>Also according to the following letter from the FWC
>>Hunters were divided almost 50-50 on the Deer
>>Management Proposals that where offered back in 2003.
>
>*** Almost... like 47% for and 53% against according
>to the FWC's own admission ***
>
>>Following is the complete letter:
>>
>>"FWC WITHDRAWS DEER MANAGEMENT PROPOSAL
>>November 20, 2003
>>CONTACT: Henry Cabbage (850) 488-4676
>>The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
>>(FWC) Wednesday withdrew a proposal to change the way
>>the agency manages Florida�s deer herds.
>>The proposal to manage deer to produce larger antlers
>>and larger animals drew favorable reviews from half
>>the state�s hunters. Half isn�t enough to constitute a
>>clear mandate, however, so the FWC decided withdraw
>>the statewide proposal.
>>FWC biologists say they could manage the state�s deer
>>to produce higher-quality animals by reducing the
>>daily bag limit from two to one deer per day and by
>>establishing a three-point antler restriction for
>>antlered deer.
>>The FWC conducted workshops and hunter surveys across
>>the state to explain the proposal and seek public
>>input. Hunters were divided almost 50-50 on the issue.
>>In the absence of a clear mandate from hunters to
>>adopt or reject the new strategy statewide,
>>Commissioners directed staff not to put the proposal
>>into effect. However, they told the agency�s deer
>>managers to consider trying out the management
>>strategy on a few wildlife management areas where it
>>might produce results that will add to their knowledge
>>about how well the new approach will work in Florida.
>>Florida�s hunters harvest 120,000 to 140,000 deer in a
>>typical year.
>>HPC/OIS"
>
>*** I've learned another thing during these past
>years...Statistics are what you want to make them...
>Raw numbers would be nice, but I'd bet a dollar to a
>donut there would be several sets of numbers if
>several people went looking. ***

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