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Date Posted: 06/ 6/07 5:06:38pm
Author: Jim
Subject: Re: More Antler restriction area proposed
In reply to: wayne davis 's message, "Re: More Antler restriction area proposed" on 06/ 6/07 4:29:53pm

>Jim,
>
>I understand where you are coming form with lack of
>data, or data that is twisted. I'm still not sure
>where you got that only 2%-3% of hunter take more than
>1 deer.

*** This is what was reported to us by the FWC at the stakeholder meeting. I certainly would have a clue otherwise, I just repeating when they tell me. I've personally only killed more than 1 deer in a year twice in my life and one of those was in Missouri in the late 80's. ***

According to the data that was presented in
>the deer options appapproximately 10% of deer hunters
>harvested more than two antlered deer. Following is a
>quote form the deer options:

*** What are these "deer options" and where did they come from. Because I would love to see that data. How many did you kill this season, and last year and the year before?
Personally I've had a few dry seasons up until this last one***

>
>"Options S2 and S3 include a statewide limit of two
>antlered deer per hunter. During the 2000-2001 hunting
>season approximately 10% of deer hunters harvested
>more than two antlered deer, constituting about 23% of
>the antlered deer harvest.

*** That's about 15,000 hunters if they amount of hunting licenses sold can be trusted. Which would suggest they killed 45,000 deer. and Total statewide harvest would have been approximately 180,000 bucks!! ***
If a bag limit of two
>antlered
>deer had been in place that year approximately 17,000
>fewer bucks would have been harvested, the majority of
>which would had been available the next year as older,
>larger antlered deer.
>Option S3 includes an additional restriction in that
>one of the two antlered deer harvested would have to
>have three or more points on one antler. This would
>restrict harvest
>and protect more bucks, although an estimate of the
>number cannot be calculated.
>Options S4 and S5 include a statewide limit of three
>antlered deer per hunter. During the 2000-2001 hunting
>season approximately 4% of deer hunters harvested more
>than three antlered deer, constituting about 12% of
>the antlered deer harvest. If a bag limit of three
>antlered deer had been in place that year
>approximately 9,000 fewer bucks would have been
>harvested."
>
>Also according to the following letter from the FWC
>Hunters were divided almost 50-50 on the Deer
>Management Proposals that where offered back in 2003.

*** Almost... like 47% for and 53% against according to the FWC's own admission ***

>Following is the complete letter:
>
>"FWC WITHDRAWS DEER MANAGEMENT PROPOSAL
>November 20, 2003
>CONTACT: Henry Cabbage (850) 488-4676
>The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
>(FWC) Wednesday withdrew a proposal to change the way
>the agency manages Florida�s deer herds.
>The proposal to manage deer to produce larger antlers
>and larger animals drew favorable reviews from half
>the state�s hunters. Half isn�t enough to constitute a
>clear mandate, however, so the FWC decided withdraw
>the statewide proposal.
>FWC biologists say they could manage the state�s deer
>to produce higher-quality animals by reducing the
>daily bag limit from two to one deer per day and by
>establishing a three-point antler restriction for
>antlered deer.
>The FWC conducted workshops and hunter surveys across
>the state to explain the proposal and seek public
>input. Hunters were divided almost 50-50 on the issue.
>In the absence of a clear mandate from hunters to
>adopt or reject the new strategy statewide,
>Commissioners directed staff not to put the proposal
>into effect. However, they told the agency�s deer
>managers to consider trying out the management
>strategy on a few wildlife management areas where it
>might produce results that will add to their knowledge
>about how well the new approach will work in Florida.
>Florida�s hunters harvest 120,000 to 140,000 deer in a
>typical year.
>HPC/OIS"

*** I've learned another thing during these past years...Statistics are what you want to make them... Raw numbers would be nice, but I'd bet a dollar to a donut there would be several sets of numbers if several people went looking. ***

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Re: More Antler restriction area proposed -- Markm, 06/ 8/07 1:24:06pm