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Subject: the Foh POT OF GOLD and JOBS...


Author:
Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 11:08:21 07/13/05 Wed
In reply to: Thomas Koulos 's message, "Where is the Foh POT OF GOLD and JOBS???" on 13:24:33 07/12/05 Tue

Tom -

Where are the job? Where is the prosperity? It's all around you. Apparently you can't see the forest for the trees. Columbia County has the lowest unemployment of any rural County in the State - less than half the national unemployment rate. If you can't find a job in Columbia County, you either aren't looking, or you don't have the skills and attitude required to get and hold one - which is only your own fault.

I don't know where you get the idea that the tax base is diminishing. That is simply contrary to the facts. In fact, the tax base in Hudson has increased enormously over the past decade. The red ink you love to talk about is due to profligate, uncontrolled, greedy spending of the taxpayer's money by out-of-control Public Administrations who act like pigs at the trough, and this includes both the HCSD Administration and the Scalera/Grandinetti faction.

These groups have added tens of thousands of dollars to our tax burden by improper use of City assets and out-of control spending. It is not the ordinary citizens of Hudson who have made the decisions that are costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars - it is a small clique that controls this Administration and can still muster enough votes to swing the City Council on some issues. They are the ones who, as you so poetically phrase it, are "the manipulators of the PUBLIC Trust" who advance "the self interests of those seeking to survive on somebody else's time, talents and money," namely, themselves.

Friends of Hudson and other pro-smart-growth groups and individuals have supported such moves as forgiving the debt of L&B in order to keep jobs in the City, and extending the City sewer lines to enable Kaz to build their new plant. Smart, thoughtful people who care about the County's future support a mix of tourism, retail, manufacturing, services, intellectual property, agriculture, residential development and more - all carefully balanced to insure compatability and mutual benefit with little or no negative impact. Smart Growth, Tom, that's the key.

Right now, if a business were to come here, they would have to pay a pretty high wage to attract workers, since most Hudson residents already have decent jobs. That's actually a "problem" in attracting new companies - because we don't have a large, idle workforce, able and willing to work for low wages. That's the price we pay for economic prosperity! But most of us would say it is worth it. Now if we can only get our government under control....

Instead of railing aganst your imaginary foes (the NIMBY visioneries - whoever you think they are), you should be going after the real culprits, those who actually have their hands in Hudson Taxpayers' (not yours, Tom!) pockets right now.

They are the ones who are creating the red ink budgets, by spending as fast as they can, in spite of increasing valuations, without regard for the costs to others. Do the names Scalera, Pierro and Grandinetti mean anything to you? They've feathered their own nests by giving themselves jobs that pay more than twice the City average family income, and those of us who pay taxes in Hudson are paying for it

If you want to know who is responsible for spending Hudson into debt - look no further. So encourage your friends who can vote in Hudson - unlike you - to use their vote in November to change the underhanded, back-room, self-serving way the "people's business" is done in Hudson.

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Author:
Gene
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Date Posted: 16:04:46 07/13/05 Wed

Where are all those good paying jobs you talk about Ned? I'd like to take one which has above average wages and comes with paid vaction along with a good health plan. Just show me the way Ned.
If things are so good in HUdson why are you always trying to change the political players and put down what they have done?
[> [> [> Subject: Those jobs -


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Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 13:18:16 07/14/05 Thu

They're all around you Gene. All you have to do is ask. And try to get the facts - Oh, but I forgot, you aren't interested in facts!

I'll give you a few examples: experienced workers, foremen and shift managers at Kaz or L&B make between $12-25/hr with good benefits. Management employees make considerably more.

Competent contruction workers - working as independent contractors running their own businesses and providing their own benefits - make upwards of $35-40/hr. Just ask them. Laborers and low-skilled construction workers are making more than $15/hr. Try to find someone to work in this capacity for less...

The retail sales jobs on Warren Street pay better than Wal-Mart, and long-term employees are almost all covered by benefits. Chefs at the Red Dot, Swoon, Ca' Mea, and Wonderbar make a decent wage. The Hospital and nursing homes have a variety of jobs from the the unskilled at less than $8/hr (but with some benefits) through semi-skilled and skilled technicians who can make $15-50/hr (with full benefits), to Nurses, who can make more than $40K/year (benefits added) and of course the doctors - more than forty of them - for whom the sky's the limit.

The Reigister-Star continues to pay slave wages, but they seem to be getting away with it - mostly by hiring people from Greene County where the wage scale is lower. If you wanted a job, Gene, and you had some skills, you wouldn't have any trouble finding one that paid a decent wage and provided average benefits in Col Cty at this time.

The employment and economic picture is currently good - but no thanks to our current political "leaders."

The political systemn is not a mess. Instead of taking our good fortune and using it to prepare for more difficult times that may come, our current administration is spending money as fast as it can, spending down our surplus, borrowing to pay for its spending spree (money that the taxpayers of the future will have to pay back with interest!), giving away some of the City's most valuable assets in sweetheart, back-room deals that cost the City taxpayers millions of dollars.That is why they need to be exposed and replaced.

I want to "change the political players and put down what they have done" because what they have done has been very bad for the City's current residents, and very bad for it's futre, and good for no one but thmeselves.

They had nothing to do with the revitalization of the City - in fact, the Scalera Administrations opposed it and have done everything in their power to obstuct and hamper it from the get-go - most recently the selective over-assessment of Warren Street properties. They had a sweet little deal where they could manipulate HUD funds and other grants to the City, they had a passive, poorly-informed citizenry, and they liked it that way.

They'd be happy to see Hudson return to the days of boarded-up store fronts and Gellert/Kravitz slums. They were fine with that and turned it to their own advantage. They are selfish, greedy autocrats who are used to running the City to benefit themselves and their cronies. That's no way for a democratic government to run, and it needs to be stopped.
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Gene
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Date Posted: 08:49:32 07/15/05 Fri

What you listed are all dead end jobs with no future, they're all per dieum jobs with no chance of retirement. Name me one person who has retired from any one of these places with a decent retirement. No future in the Hudson area, that's why all our young children go elsewhere, even your sibling went.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: No more "dead-end" jobs than...


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Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 10:49:04 07/15/05 Fri

...working for SLC - for instance. You get to be a yard foreman, and there's nowhere else to go. You need college degrees (and in most cases, advanced degrees) to get into management.

But running your own business, which is what many independent conractors and shop-owners do, and what many of their employees will do when they get the skills and reputation to do so, is far from a "dead-end" job.

There are people who have retired from Kaz and L&B with "decent" retirement packages, and from the local banks, from the hospital and many other local employers. You can call their offices and request to be put in touch with recent retirees.

The owners of The Paramount "retired" from the restaurant business last year and had put enough aside to live on. Carole Clark from Charleston, likewise. Most of the American economy is based on small, self-run businesses, not corporate employment. Most of us develop our own retirement plans as best we are able.

My son didn't "leave" the area - he is on an extended visit to his cousin in Colorado. He plans to return here at some point, but like most young people he wanted to go out and see the world. No amount of "oppportunity" locally would change that.

Incidentally, he is working in Colorado doing the same work he was doing here at a pay scale that is 20-25% lower, in spite of the fact that living costs are about the same. But he's having fun and making enough to pay his bills, and he enjoys seeing how people outside of New England and the East Coast live, so it's worth it to him.

Jobs are only "dead-end" if you choose to make them so. You can always take what you learn at one job and use it to sell yourself to a better job - if you have the will and the initiative.

The point is there are many jobs, some paying very good money, some paying well-enough, and some paying entry-level wages (but well above State and Federal minimum) available in the County, some going begging, or being filled by people from as far away as Kingston and Albany.

Employment is not currently Hudson's major problem. Politics and education are.
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Gene
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Date Posted: 15:44:39 07/15/05 Fri



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