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Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 12 2006, 11:28:40
In reply to: Edwin 's message, "Encounter with Oriental Travels" on Sun, Nov 09 2003, 11:45:10

Hi Everyone,

I also received a call from Lauren regarding Dynamikz Netwerkz last week, and have actually went to have a talk with Dynamikz Netwerkz (I'll call it DN from here on) on Saturday. Before I give any further details, for those that don't have time to read everything(which is VERY loooong), here's 1 statement for you:

Don't waste your time going down to talk to them!

Here's what happened.

After making the appointment with DN at NAC Tower B Level 16 (Leisure Group Marketing), what I did is this. Since they asked me to bring along my Grown Crown Resort Membership Agreement, I decided to photo-copy of it first, but with the amount that I paid blanked out. This is so that they won't know the amount that I paid, and will be forced to give a valuation based on the membership that I have. Theoretically, the value of my membership should be based on what I have, not what I paid for.

So, with this in mind, I brought along the agreement (both original and the photo-copied) and met up with them. First, a lady was assigned to me, and brought me down to Level 14 where there's another office. This seems to be the place where they do all the "phyco" sessions as I can see quite a number of people sitting around small tables and talking with some LGM staffs. When she asked me to show her my membership, I counter-ask her and ask her for details as to what this meeting will be all about. When I ask her that, all she can ask is, wasn't I informed about it? When I ask her for more details, she looks like her mind just blanked out. My conclusion then is that she doesn't know anything at all.

So, I showed her the photocopy of the agreement to see if it will jolt her memory. When she saw that the amount I paid isn't shown, she doesn't know how to continue, and went out to ask her "manager" to come in.

So, this "manager" came into the room. Right from the 1st word that he spoke, he is showing a very arrogant attitude, and is talking to me very loudly. He is obviously not keen on even negotiating or finding out what we want. All he can say is that his valuator cannot give a price unless he can see how much I paid. I keep asking him to give me a valuation based on the membership's own value, but he refused, saying without the price I paid, it is worth $0! He even had the audencity to use a pen to write the word $0 on the photo-copied agreement, Twice! By this time, he is almost like shouting at me alraedy.

Then when I told him that if this is his stand, we have nothing to discuss, and he said that I can leave anytime.

When I hear that, I know that continuing this "talk" is not worth the time spent, and I just walked out.

In view of this, I suggest that anyone considering meeting up with them either scrap the either, or do what I did, show them an agreement with the price blanked out. If they know the price we paid for, then based on this, they will definitely negotiate a lower price.

The only think I regret not doing is to make a din in the office there and scare away all the victims that are still talking to them.

As for Lauren (from Dynamikz Netwerkz), I don't think she knows anything either. Sounds more like LGM outsourced the task of calling up the victims to Dynamikz Netwerkz.

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Date Posted: Mon, Mar 13 2006, 2:05:39

Mei Ing,

I would suggest for you to go down to CASE and see what they recommend. Give them full details. But one thing is for sure. You will get disappointed as they will say that the paper signed is a legally abiding document as they did not force you to sign and you signed with your own free will (not taking into consideration how you were psychoed into signing like I was!).

The thing to do is to see what they can suggest for you to do. Like many have said in the forum, once you are in, it's difficult to get rid of it, unless you find a gullible person. The moral question now is, would you want someone else (the gullible person) to go through what you are going through? If you can sell it back to OT, fine, and if not, then you'll need to find a way to dispose of it. What you can do is to seek CASE's advise on the do's and don'ts. Maybe like do not pay for more maintenance fees. Maybe you want to consider it as a bad investment and let go of it, do not invest anymore into it (to name just a few). But do not expect a solution from CASE. Just something they can advise you, not for a solution, but I wouldn't say it's a way out of this either. You have been in it for 3 years now, you must have fully paid up by now.

I'd hate to say this but I have to give it to you. You case is not as strong as mine as I had given the letter to them within the 3 days cooling off period. But there's a more professional body you can turn to at least, rather than myself. If I can think of another way, I will write in. If you have any friends in the legal arena, you may want to consult them rather than CASE, if you do not have friends in the legal society, then CASE is your best starting point.

All the best.

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