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Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Edwin

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Date Posted: Sun, Nov 09 2003, 11:45:10

Good that a website is finally up regarding such unscrupulous timeshare companies. Congratulations to the webmaster.

I would like to relate our experience, to warn others regarding the tactics used by such time-share companies.

Our experience is with Orient Travels, which their office was located at Wheelock Place.

Both me and my wife was stopped just outside Mariott Hotel during our trip to Orchard. A young lady stopped us and ask us whether we are a couple, one of us must be 30 years and above, and whether we possess credit cards. She then passed us a lucky draw coupon which upon opening, stated that we had won a $20 gift vocher or free trip to Genting Highlands from Isetan.

However, in order to collect the prize, we have to attend a no-obligations presentation on their company's attractive travel packages. We were led to Orient Travel. We were then sit in to listen to the presentation. It was much longer than the 1 hour promised by them. There was a sales guy, attached to us. Prior to the presentation, he briefed us on the benefits, and we enquired about the cost. He refused to reveal the cost.

When the presentation started, the presenter attempts to make some jokes. He categorically stated that they are not a "time-share" company, but a company involves in making holiday travel packages much cheaper for members. They did not advertise, as advertisement costs are too expensive. Such packages are a much more attractive option. Satisfied customers words or walking advertisements are much better. What a whole bull of crap it eventually turned out later!

He further show the whole presentation on how much a typical 5-star resort stay cost, and how much travel agents charged, which is unwarranted. Orient Travel, which is affiliated to Golden Crown Resorts Group is a large organization originally created for business travellers to enjoy rebates on hotel and travel bookings, but later extended to the public. We can get 30 - 50% discounts just by purchasing travel packages thru' them.

After the presentation, the sales presenter then try to hard-sell us the packages. We balk at the huge amount for membership. Originally, he was discussing membership at S$40 000 (Gold membership), then reduced to S$30 000 (Silver membership). Around us, there are some who raised their hands, stating that they will sign the membership. A guy would come up to the podium and congratulate the couple. For those who sign-up on the spot that day, would win a 9 days trip either to South Africa, Spain, Bali....etc. The first few would also be promised additional, if I remember correctly, another 5 or 7 days trip to a special destination. We were hesitant. I admit, I was tempted, but we had just got married and do not have much cash. Then a sales manager came and talk to us, where he keep telling us the benefits. The cost of membership came down to S$20 000 (Bronze membership). We can upgrade our membership later. These memberships is for a period of 10 years. If we couldn't pay, we can pay via interest-free instalments.

As the amount are huge, we stated we need to think about it. The sales manager continued it's hard-selling. We were brought to a number of computers showing the look-of-the-resorts, we may stay in. There was also a money-back "guarantee" for those signing up for the Gold membership, where at the end of 10 years, part of the membership we deposited into Orient Travel, the interest from the banks will be returned to us, which may amount to more than S$10 000.

I was tempted, but fortunately, my wife, who even though love to travel, was more pragmatic. She pulled my arms and whispered to me not to sign, as she feel something fishy. This deal is too good to be true. I then asked the sales manager to let me have 3 days to consider, which he then replied that the offer is only for today. Once I stepped out of the office, the offer is gone. Upon hearing that, I resolved not to sign. Any deals which will not be valid once one stepped out, is deemed very fishy to me. Fearing that this is a trap, both of us then stated we made our decision not to sign. We were then ushered to the counter, and collected our vocher. We did not opt for the Genting Highlands trip, as we upon looking behind the terms and conditions of the lucky draw coupon stated that we may have to attend another of such sales presentation over there, at Genting Highlands.

When we left for the lift, the sales presenter came out, with a very worried or stressful face, which we immediately noticed. These symptoms, made us feeling that something must be wrong. It was later, thru conversation with one of my friend, who was duped into a time-sharing company that I finally realized the scheme.

Fortunately, my wife was more sensible during that time, else I may end up giving in to my temptation. On hindsight, I have a gut feeling, which I do not know whether it is true or not, after the whole incident, when I stopped to think carefully, some of those who raised their hands to sign up for the packages, may be their own employees, posing as a couple.

I still remembered the worried look at the sales presenter's face. I don't get why he have such a worried look, when he did not do anything "wrong"?

By listing what had actually transpired throughout, and our whole ordeal. We would like to warn others to be wary of such tactics by such purported, "non time-share" companies such as Orient Travel. I consider myself lucky, because I have my pragmatic wife to wake me up. I just hope that more people do not fall for such elaborate schemes in future. For those who do, I support your motion to blacklist these companies and try to get back the money they owed, as these are high-pressure sales tactics they adopted, which are morally wrong.

Thanks

Edwin

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Harris Setiono [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thu, Nov 13 2003, 23:37:00 Hi Edwin, I'm so happy that you & wife did the right thing.How I'd wish if time can revert back & give me a 2nd chance, I would definitely do the same thing. How much I regreted what we did. rgds [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Edwin
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 16:27:55

Hi Harris, Thanks a lot. I'm angry at the audicity of the timeshare companies and their tactics. I'm also perplexed on why the government and The Straits Times are not forthcoming with naming of the timeshare companies involved in Singapore.

By publicizing the companies names, at least many more people will be warned of their tactics. It also strengthen any legal cases against them.

Frankly, I believe that the threats by the timeshare companies to sue is just threats. I do not believe that they will like the publicity. It will affect them, moreover, they are more fearful if we all take collective actions.

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[> [> [> Subject: Invitation to attend a Seminar by Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Albert
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Date Posted: Sun, Oct 24 2004, 17:54:01

Dear Edwin,

Thank you for posting your experience on the web as we have been just invited to attend the so call "Exhibition" this coming Thursday 28th October, 2004. This is the 2nd time the company re-invited us to attend and insisted that it must be attended by both husband and wife.

In fact, when I asked if they are trying to promote to us the "time-sharing" membership. They told me not and even mentioned that in their invitation letter to us. The letter offer a Lucky Draw to win a brand new Toyota Corolla and in addition we will receive up to 7 night's luxury accommodation and an elegant real 4 diamond set watch. This is very tempting to anyone who fall for it.

I just got the gut feeling that it must be a company promoting time sharing membership, otherwise the lady who called me asked not to play her out by not attending.
So, I decided to check the company on the web and bumped into this site.

Thanks alot as it confirmed it is in fact a "time sharing" company. I am definitely not going to attend for sure.

Thank you and best regards,

Albert

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Invitation to attend a Seminar by Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Sam Costello
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2005, 12:55:25

Hi Albert
You sure one of the lucky ones not to be conned. This so call winning a prize full of crab. I was almost a victim once with my wife a couple of years back. Thankfully I did not fall for the trap and instead almost yank the hell out of the so called manager whom I was referred to when all else failed to convince me to part with my hard earned money. In order to avoid embarrassment with other potential victims around, they pacified me and rewarded me with a Isetan $40/- voucher. Now I always remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Sad to say these so called unscrupulous though legal still exist among the midst. Hope others don't fall into this predicament and be lured into parting with their hard earned money. Thank God this forum exist and thanks to the person who create an awareness through this website forum. Cheers !!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Lin [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Sep 06 2004, 17:09:26 Hi Harris, Are you a member for this 'Oriental Travel' timeshare? We went for the talk recently. Can you tell us what exactly did they offer (if any) after you signed up? Thanks, Lin [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: phil de casto [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat, Oct 09 2004, 18:31:28 Hi Lin, Pse tell us whats your experience was like as it was as recent as Sep 2004. Are they different now? We need to know coz they are still marketing aggressively but we are not sure if its still time share. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 1:26:57 We actually has signed up for the membership and paid the deposit of $2000. When we wanted to cancel the contract within 3 days cooling period, we were told that we will not get back our deposit as there is an administion fee of $2000 to pay as well, another trap!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Ravi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 18:49:28 Ben, did you get back $2000 or become a member. If you became member how is the service? Attached weblink provides displeasure of Gold Crown Resort, a service provided by Oriental Travel Singapore. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philmorris/holiday-clubs.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: oriental travel
Author: allan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Nov 22 2004, 16:05:16 Ben, I am also one of those who made partial payment at the talk organised by oriental travels. am regreting it now,care to share whether you are a member now or you managed to opt out. I have already paid up 5k but am willing to terminate my membership if possible.Have you tried their services, is it any good? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Feb 02 2005, 7:45:33 Hi Ravi & Allan, sorry for not replying your message early. After I posted the message, I was trying to get back my deposit. Went to the office few times and went to CASE as well. Eventually, I got back my full refund with the helps from CASE. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: dun believe them

Author:
Benjamin
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 14 2005, 0:35:59

I work for this company for two days 13-14 Feb 05 as agree to pay as daily on the phone when i saw on the newspaper. When we came for interview, the person incharge asked us to help them to get all the contact fom the people at river angbao.

The newspaper actually put salespromoter get pay 80 bucks per day

Now they say:
They will pay us $2 for each LCUKY DRAW Coupon fill with with the following certia:

1.Age:28 and above
2.Married
3.Own a cedit card
4.House hold income to be more than 4k.

My name is benjamin for those that help me to fill up the luck draw form.

I never get my pay for all my hard work i actually help the company to fill up 100 luck draw coupons without getting any pay.

I am very sure the company is out there to con people.
Dun believ their words.

Thanks for the stranger to advice me not to work for them because this company really out to con people. dun trust them... I promise

Really sorry for those i ask for their help to fill up the contact for me.

I am also a victim...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: dun believe them

Author:
Benjamin
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 14 2005, 0:41:54

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: how you got the money back
Author: Krishnan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Feb 18 2005, 11:08:38 Hi Ben, Please share with me how you got the money back? I have signed up and paying through monthly installment for one year (0% credit card). Any advise how I can stop further payment through credit card? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: cancellation of membership (URGENT!!)

Author:
sandra
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 19 2005, 22:40:26

to Ben

hi, i paid 10 k for deposit and i want to cancel the membership. the 3 days dateline is tmr.. could u please enlighten me on how they go about doing the cancellation so that i will not fall into their trap again? and can u please share in detail how did the CASE help in getting back your deposit? thank you very very much...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oriental Travel

Author:
Fred Gan
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Date Posted: Mon, May 16 2005, 19:57:42

Hi Sandra, I have just signed up and paid some deposit by credit card, but only because they have included a 7-day "cooling-off period" which is more than the "3-day" under the recently implemented Fair Trading Act.
Unfortunately, I have not known about this forum before signing up. Naturally, I am very eager to find out the latest status of your experience. Did you manage to have your contract cancelled with all the deposit you had paid refunded? Thank you and looking forward to your response.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: oriental travel
Author: threadfin [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, May 27 2005, 19:57:14 hi! just glad to chance upon this website. Was contemplating to go to the "exhibition" too. After reading, am sure spending my precious weekend at home :) Thanks for info here! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Benny [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2005, 8:15:14 Hi Ben, Please enlighten us how CASE has helped you get your money back. I have just paid S$5000 by credit card, 2 days ago. Thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: RoS [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Mar 29 2006, 17:19:48 Hi Ben .. I had da same problem paid abt 10k... now felt cheated as all the prices at the hotels and resorts are more expensive than at their own hotel websites. So is it really true CASE can help on these? Thankss [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Vivek
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 26 2005, 16:56:24

Hi guys,

This is really good that you are sharing your expereinces. I went to their seminar only two days ago. They convinced me to join them for 35 years Gold Crown service. I was about to pay, when my wife sensed that something is very fishy, as what they told me before I agreed to become member, and what they wrote in the paper for me to sign was different. Hence even after signing that form I refused to pay them and their attitude was very hostile. Now I feel lucky.

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[> [> Subject: Dun believe them

Author:
Benjamin
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 14 2005, 0:35:07

[> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Christopher
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2004, 15:36:29

Just got an invitation to attend an exhibition by the above company through Jue Shi Marketing. As the offer of free $1000 flight voucher is too tempting, I gladly told them I would attend the 2-hour exhibition this Sat. However, I decided to check out this company on the website to see if it is a real company, then I found this forum. All this while I doubt about their offer and it seems too good to be true! Glad that I found this forum, am now decided not to waste my 2 hours there!

Thanks
Christopher

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[> [> Subject: Encounter worst than a third kind...

Author:
Yong Rafidah
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 01 2005, 15:38:29

hi guys! it was too late for me to find out about this forum page!! anyway, i agreed that all is a gimmick! i attended and i was told at the end of the session that i won a free accomodation 7 day trip to places like australia, indonesia etc. i had to call jue shi marketing to make my booking. like i said everything is a gimmick. i needed to pay 45pound per person for it!! there are 5 of us so , mathematics pls guys!! this is not free. i plan to send email to oriental travel and jue shi and make this public... for you who have bought the program, i am very sorry for you, you are trapped.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter worst than a third kind...
Author: janise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat, Sep 17 2005, 18:10:39 But 5 of you have to pays about $700 plus to stay in hotel in australia is a very good price... I don't think is a gimmick, cos every smart person should know free gifts there will be terms and conditions... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter worst than a third kind...

Author:
BEN
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Date Posted: Fri, Jan 27 2006, 2:36:11

Janise... JANISE.. ish actually one of the incharge. dun believe her. can be found at Shaw Centre. #18-02 Jue Shi marketing pte ltd. She ish such a smart gal but can still see thru her dumb actions. The employees dun get the pay. and they themselves are actually the victims. So sorry for those who work there without getting paid and were victims themselves.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Encounter worst than a third kind...

Author:
Victim
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 15 2006, 20:28:48

Place is run by Mitch and Cindy. Also a Shah I think. This place is like hell. Cannot go toilet or eat. No lunch time or dinner time. Cannot breathe at all. Being hawked all the time. Must be on the phone all the time. Come pay day, 25% of the pay missing. Best joke is they are telling the whole world that they are national TV advertising when they are not. Lied to people that they did promotions for DBS and Singtel. I wonder how come a company like this can last for so long. Govt don't take actions on them at all ? Everyone suffer. Employees suffer. People have to buy $69 for a gift that will take forever to arrive. It looks like a toy from China.

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[> [> [> Subject: free gift from Jue Shi Marketing/Oriental

Author:
Subara
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Date Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2005, 16:43:53

I have been called many many times by a guy from Jue Shi Marketing to come and collect cam corder and home theatre as free gift. Acording to him we have been selected out of 1000s from our travels we have made before (we never booked through Oriental or Jue Shi Marketing).

Also first time he stated that we have to be their for 2 hours, and we will be verfied for ic by some official and we have to attend thanks give function. When we denied, he says company has several such function in the afternoon's and evenings. so we are confused. Sometime's he is forcing

I feel some gimmik in this, can any one had experience about the above invitation. Also advise me in this regard.

subara

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[> [> Subject: Prizes Collection

Author:
Cindy
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2005, 0:49:33

Hi,everyone who attended at the 2 hours invitation. I am
sad for late to read this web til now. My husband and me
just attended to it. Fortunately we clear our mind by not
to believe this offer,by dissapointed the sales staff,we
managed to get oue voucher which is a elegant diamond watch. We are to excited to find it whether true,i did post out an amount of check $24.50 for handing and insult fee. Can Someone advice?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Prizes Collection

Author:
Johnson
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Date Posted: Fri, Jul 08 2005, 1:12:24

Hi, just curious in finding out whether you did received the diamond watch that they promise they would deliver to you once you sent the cheque with voucher back to Jue Shi Marketing?
Btw, i've made a check in the website but couldn't find any info on the name of the diamond watch "Rene Remmigaux". Think must be a fake watch with fake glass stones on it, rite?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Prizes Collection
Author: K C [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun, Aug 14 2005, 19:32:21 After i had read some of the article above regarding the price collection.It seem like everyone gets to collect a diamond watch.It sound like those who did not join the club will get the diamond watch.What about those who join the club,what did they get?And who get the car,plasma 42" tv and note book? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Prizes Collection
Author: Chris [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2005, 13:15:01 Anyone received the so-called "diamond" watch already?? Pls advise whether is it true or fake one. I also cannot find any info on the name of the diamond watch "Rene Remmigaux". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Prizes Collection
Author: Robert [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thu, Oct 06 2005, 9:47:04 I did received the so call Diamond Watch. But whether the Diamond is Genuine or fake I don't know as it also come with a Certificate of Authencity. Luckily I didn't sign up for the package, else it will be a regret. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Encounter of a worst kind

Author:
Laura Chong
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2005, 14:48:48

I spent 4 hours at the office listening to all the pep talk about 5-star accommodation worldwide! The catch - pay S$30K for lifetime membership. Will company lasts a lifetime? Then I got cheated by the complimentary flight voucher. I have to pay my own 5-star accommodation! Supposed to be a thank-you gift, but becomes useless piece of paper.

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[> [> Subject: Maybe the latest victim....

Author:
Mohamad Nurul Annuar
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Date Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2005, 23:47:34

Hi, there. Just receive the notice about the prizes i've "won" from Jue Shi Marketing. It is totally out of the blue to me and excites me to the core. But it's also looks to good to be true. Den, I went to check it out in the net,and encouter tis forum.
I need to be enlightened guys. Would u encourage me to attend tis 2 hours pep talk ??

** I need to be enlightened. To go or not to go ???

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe the latest victim....

Author:
Jackson
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Date Posted: Sun, Jul 03 2005, 11:14:31

I went to check it out lately and found it was a scam. The marketing agent will tell u that u r one of the top 4 winners of the top 4 prices,i.e car, plasma tv, laptop computer n ' elegant diamond watch 'but u need to be there to listen to a 2hrs talk b4 the draw. when talk finished, they will pester u to buy a membership of $ 30,000 in order to 'save'money in yr future holiday. I refused to buy n asked for lucky draw to be conducted. then they told me there was no lucky draw in front of the public. told me that i only won a ' watch '. To claim that, I need to pay $24.50 n post to Jue Shi marketing. I doubt the watch is worth that amount ? The watch's brand name can't even be found in the internet!
Outside their office, I found that every couple ( about 15 couples on that day) who went there were told there r also the top 4 winners of the top 4 prizes,
Suggest someone write to Straits Time to expose this scam .

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe the latest victim....

Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: Wed, Oct 19 2005, 12:52:48

No, don't go.

My wife and I went there last night. Luckily we are wise enough to NOT sign up. But it is still a waste of 4 hours (vs. 2 hours they told you).

The "awards" turns out to be useless papers. The "digital video camera" is a 320x240 (76 K pixel) resolution, using memory card. And the memory card is NOT included. Fortunatly I called Jue Shi to check this out. I decide even not to send the SGD69 "shipping and handling" fee. I doubt the digital video camera worth more than SGD69.

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[> [> Subject: Here's come the lucky draw again
Author: Erica [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Mar 29 2005, 14:02:49 I just received the phone call about this "You won the Prize" thing. I found it is kinda funny so I check it up on the net. I am glad that I found this site. Things became much more clear now. Thank you very much. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Fazidah Rahim
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Date Posted: Fri, Oct 07 2005, 15:14:17

Hi, everyone, I turned up yesterday, fortunately they disqualified me due I in a corp trvl line. I was furious as I had informed the guy earlier. I demanded the for the gift as they have wasted both my and husband leave to attend this. In end they did give me, I was shock the digitel video camcorder does't look like it worth sdg1300 as guy had told me and the Home Theatre system which worth sgd500 realy look like a cheap stuff both no brand. And I have to pay SGD69 each to claim for item. I surf the net to ebay.com , I found out the video camcorder is only worth AUD35.00 , when I called the guy and the reception from Jui Shi, they still says the item cost sgd1300.00. Anyway I am not going to claim the item and have dump both vouchers in the dustbin.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Azmi
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2006, 12:07:19

The wife and I went to a "presentation" for "$4000" worth of gift vouchers - that turned out to be duds. Eg: $1000 off flight tickets to fixed destinations, but must buy hotel stay at RACK rates. Who pays rack rates anyway? Yeap. some cheapo watch and dubious digicam... Gotta pay them first with $69.00 before they will deliver. Does that sound familiar to everyone? Kinda like that African lottery scam - you pay to earn your prize.. You're right - how can this company continue to exist in Singapore? Daylight robbery. We are contemplating lodging a police report. They made us sign agreement, but didn't show us the terms and conditions (in USD) at the back of the agreement. They said we had 3 working days to change our mind, but attempts to contact "the person in charge" futile. I've taken this up with my bank. Hopefully it will be approved.
Will anyone consider lodging a police report? I think we will have more credibility in large numbers. Email me. We'll meet up at the police station to lodge the report.

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[> Subject: oriental travel
Author: pit [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Nov 22 2004, 16:24:26 I have recently sign up for the gold crown resort membership under oriental travel. Can anybody share with me their bad expriences after becoming a member or promises not delivered by the company. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: John Tan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2004, 15:58:52 Hi, I recently went for the presentation. How much did you pay for your membership? Pls share. Thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: it is alright to argue and walk away
Author: yong rafidah [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Feb 01 2005, 15:46:03 hi if you have not bought it, don't waste your money even if it's for the normal membership. you don't lose out for not joining but will lose a great deal if you do. no need to think too long.. it is not worth it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: sorry to hear that..
Author: yong rafidah [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Feb 01 2005, 15:42:58 i am sorry for you that you have bought it. you are trapped, you can try to sell it but slim chance. i argued with one of the managers, Mr Ameer that nothing is free and it is not worth it to pay so much to enjoy the luxury. anyway, when you visit a country, do you want to see the hotel or the country itself?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel
Author: Fred Gan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, May 16 2005, 19:03:50 Hi, while I appreciate the good intention of all parties in posting their comments, I feel that the views of those who have already bought the membership are more objective. In this respect, I hope very much to hear from these individuals about their so-called actual after-sale experiences. Cheers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel

Author:
Fred Gan
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Date Posted: Mon, May 16 2005, 19:51:16

Hi Pit, I have just signed up and paid some deposit by credit card, but only because they have included a 7-day "cooling-off period" which is more than the "3-day" under the recently implemented Fair Trading Act.
Unfortunately, I have not known about this forum before signing up. Naturally, I am very eager to find out the latest status of your experience as a paid-up member. Did it turn out to be as negative as it had been made out to be or was it not as bad as most people have made it out to be? Thank you and looking forward to your response.

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[> Subject: Oriental Travel

Author:
Anthony
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 02 2004, 17:04:04

Signed up for life member abt 10k in 2003... however we can't access the GCR website as the sum need to be paid up before we can even use it.

I appeal and they converted me to be a trial member (2 years) and I paid $4k (total) for this membership. I had checked GCR website and the accomodation need to be in 3/ 7 days hotel/resort accomodation. During the presentation their director said he could get Ritz Carlton in Singapore for <$20 a night! And also various claims of reduced prices in other locations.

It is UNTRUE. Prices are not that fantastic as per claimed. Felt like a sucker. How i wish that there is a Evin Broockwich to file a Class Action Suit against such companies!

Feel free to contact me for more info.

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[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel
Author: Fred Gan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, May 16 2005, 19:45:53 Hi Anthony, appreciate if you can share your subsequent experiences as a member with me as I have just signed up, but only because the contract includes a 7-day cancellation clause in compliance with the recently implemented Fair Trading Act. Hope to hear from you soon. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Orient Travel

Author:
Victor
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Date Posted: Sat, Jan 15 2005, 13:33:14

It came as a shock to me when somebody called me that you receive the limited invitation who qualified for the holidaymaker profile.

It started with a guy explaining the lucky draw and prizes I have won, then passed the phone to his Marketing Director to talk more about all the marketing gimmicks.

THe questions asked are about the same as others' have: must be a couple age 28-53, have joint income > 4k, etc.

Be careful not to be influenced by all their tricks trying to do hard-selling on you. My advice, never come to such presentation or invitation.

I then called the Orient Travel office, they said that they just explain about their company's business when you come. I enquire more about it and she refused to explain.

Open your eyes widely and not easily tempted of such marketing hoax.

Cheers!
Victor Tan

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[> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Nononak
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2005, 10:59:03

Hi,

I just received the same promo letter telling me I had won either the Corolla or $25,000 CASH.

Done a check on the yahoo search and found this forum.

Surprise to find the same trick being use for such a long time.

I guess what they said is correct, once proven, don't change it.

Good luck to all in the coming CNY.

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[> [> Subject: Is it really a hoax?
Author: CL [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2005, 9:10:23 Hi! So did you collect your cash or car? Is the lucky draw prize at least real? Just wanted to know more about whether the prizes are true, and if anyone knows whether the privileges are true at least, other than the large amount of upfront cash? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd
Author: summer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2005, 9:05:01 thanks for this forum!! had the same invitation as nonak yesterday, was wondering whether to attend talk tomorrow (29 Jan)...the prizes seemed so inviting...14 days in shangri-la, sheraton or some other hotel, $1000 airfare voucher.... definitely NOT GOING tomorrow!! thanks again! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd (Touch & Media and Jue Shi Marketing)
Author: KL [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Jan 31 2005, 21:51:54 Did a check on yahoo and found this website. They promise me a 42" plasma TV. Hmm...Should not have tear away the letter. Maybe someone could send the original letter to TCS as a subject to their TV show. Very tempting! But I had other things better to do then to waste the time with them! Regards, KL [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Oriental Travel
Author: Vincent [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2005, 11:19:11 I've just put in a $2000 deposit, and I'm naturally concerned. Why do you think it's a time share scam? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: it is a bloody scam

Author:
al
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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2005, 8:29:50

hi all,

oriental travels and jue shi marketing are scam houses created by foreign mofos.

i believe this is not their only scams and companies. they spent their time engineering scam mechanics and disguises for them.

my wife and i went there with sceptism and true enough, everyone there stinks of a scam.

does anyone know which authority is best used to complain and preferably hurt them legally and financially? Does natas stpb or any other agency have the power to directly intervene in their oprations?

Thanks!

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[> Subject: Dun believe their words they are out to Con people

Author:
Benjamin1982
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 14 2005, 0:27:40

[> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Curious [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Feb 16 2005, 9:31:22 So anyone spent the time to sit there for 2 hours and finally get the Toyota corolla? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Is this a new trick?

Author:
helenthean
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 03 2005, 16:52:34

Hi,
I received a letter from JUe Shi Marketing claiming that I have won a top 6 prize. The top prize is a Toyota Corolla or 25k cash. Is it true?
The person at the phone even claimed that The New Paper featured the winner of the Toyota Corolla in its 25 Feb 2005 edition. Is this true? Are the prizes real?
I have been invited to collect my prize. I wonder whether I should go. Appreciate very much your advice pse. Thank you.

Regards

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[> [> Subject: I've received the letter too.

Author:
CK
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 06 2005, 16:01:05

Hi helenthean,

I've received the same letter too. (twice in fact). I ignored the first and they send a second claiming that the prize is unclaimed and ask me to go again.

Well on the Letter, I am suppose to "win" the toyota. Didn't know I claimed "my" Toyota or $25,000 and was on New Paper.

Actually I was tempted to find out more. But am glad that I found this forum. Dun quite think there is any free lunch in the world. =P

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[> Subject: me too!

Author:
Lisa
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Date Posted: Fri, Mar 18 2005, 20:10:22

Hi all,

I just received a call today too. Now the lucky draw prize is a Hyundai Accent or $10,000 cash. I was told that Medicorp will be at the so called "prize presentation".

My husband was quite sure that its a timesharing thing so I decided to check them out on the internet and found this forum.

Luckily I came across this forum or else I would have gone and wasted my 2hrs there.

Well, now they are at Shaw House and not Wheelock Place.
I still got their letter with me. Maybe should call up CNA and get their program "GET REAL" to do a check on them.

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[> [> Subject: Re: me too!

Author:
Liza
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Date Posted: Mon, Oct 03 2005, 18:33:47

Hi Lisa...

Wish we can all join forces and publicise this scam...Oriental Travels Pte Ltd and Jue Shi Marketing both deserve this.

Went with my husband on 30 September 2005 and was promised home theatre system plus digital web-cam which both like a cheapskate items.

When we rejected them over and over again, they finally SHOOED us out...They sure are desperate for sale man. How much more stupid can the staff and even the MD get??Because there are not many ppl who buy such things...talk about dream vacation which most of us only goes like once maybe twice in our lives. Buy their membership and you end up paying for 40K instead of just 8K for your dream vacation...

Anyways they did not take rejections gracefully and even showed us their displeased faces...GOD! How sorry I am for them...now i think back about Oriental Travels Pte Ltd with much disgust....Having an Ang Moh boss does not mean u have a clean business running folks (staff)!

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[> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Laura Chong
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2005, 15:20:03

My husband and I also attended the gruelling session at their office at Shaw House. I did not know of this forum until today. Luckily, we did not take up on their offer of gold membership at S$30K. However, we realise that the complimentary S$1,000 flight voucher is worthless because we have to pay for the 5-star accommodation which is so expensive. And Oriental Travel claimed to offer wholesale price.

Also, I noticed something strange. During the session, the customer service officer assigned to us, signalled one of the staff to trail my husband when he went to the washroom.
My husband confirmed this.

But it puzzles me that Oriental Travel can be listed on NATAS.

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[> Subject: Interesting "lucky draw"

Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 23 2005, 22:36:38

It is really great to have a forum having people telling me without me spending hours listening to craps. Thanks so much guys.

I received a call from Jue Shi one afternoon and as usual, the lady on the phone go non stop and almost unstoppable with the information like "Sir, you won a 5000 travel voucher" and "with my correct details" (except she failed to realise I am not married) She was talking so quickly in order not to let me have a chance to cut through. I got mad and asked her to shut up and repeat my details and explain to me how I actually win this lucky draw prize. She beat around the bush and told me that she has no details with her and quickly hang up.

Few days later, another lady, this time more calm and tried to convince me to attend their lucky draw prize presentation. She says I must attend the session cos they have arranged a Mediacorp Star and it is held only once. I agreed to go and never turn up. Throughout the conversation, she assured me that they are NOT TIME SHARE company.

One month later, I think I must be really lucky and this time, I won a Toyota sedan along with some other winners wirh funny names. I dumped it away and just one week ago, I won another prize. This time a 42' plasma TV. Obviously the company has no idea how dumb they look by making me lucky so many times.

Now, I have nearly got into time share program before as well as waste some small money in Direct marketing program. My advice to all:

a. Time Share Telemarketer will go non stop during a teleconversation in order to exhaust you and make you confused. They will repeatedly tempted you with what you are getting if you attend their 'prize presentation' Most of the time, after 30min of conversation, you will end up not thinking straight and agreed to go. Being Asians, we do not want to let people down so we end up wasting money if not time at their seminars.

b. Be really firm in your decision. If you are not interested, say NO and do not say "let me think about it'. They will formulate new ideas to persuade you into an agreement.

If I am not wrong about how they managed to get my details, I have given them away during a street survey on Orchard Road. To my surprise, I still see them on the Orchard Road. Most of the time, they used innocent looking young girls or boys to ask for survey. Out of kindness, you sometimes agree to help these surveyers out.

Once you filled up the form, you will suddenly become the luckest guy or girl on Orchard Road cos you have won the only "choose your ideal city to travel' package. But you must have a credit card and 45 min to attend their seminar.

Note:
They used pink looking survey form in A5 size.

Hope everyone can tell people that they know so that there are no more victims.

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[> Subject: Almost Won a Plasma TV.

Author:
Rani
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 24 2005, 17:08:41

I just attended the presentation on the 23 Mar'05 at 1845 hrs.All the questions that i pose to the sales representative ,they could'nt answer.i ask them ,since the packages are very much affordable,why are'nt they opening to the public.And they mentioned that it is not allowed by our tourist promotion board.I think my presentation was more than 3 hrs and they refuse to show me the membership price until the whole thing was over and there were hand and eye signal which made me very suspious but fortunately we did'nt sign the membership.

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[> [> Subject: Almost Won a Plasma TV.
Author: George [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Mar 29 2005, 21:56:17 Good for you. Luckily you didn't fall for the scam. They are basically cheats! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Almost won a Plasma TV

Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 21 2005, 23:31:45

Out of curiosity, so did you got your guaranteed
Elegant Diamond Watch even though you did not sign up or will let you participate in their grand lucky draw which is Hydundai Accent or 10,000 this time round. The reasons why I want to know is that they are asking me to attend tomorrow. In their letter it is stated that "no obligation to purchase or book any holdidays with Oriental Travel. Pls advise. Thanks

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[> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd

Author:
Michelle
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 24 2005, 19:43:50

I just attended their presentation last night and I decided to do a search of the company and I came across this website. I didn't sign up but I was shown a newspaper cutting dated 23 March 05. It was the New Paper with an announcement of one couple winning the Toyota Corolla. After leaving their office, I went to a petrol kiost and I bought a copy of the New Paper. It was on page 17 and it has a picture of 2 people from ESPN posing together with the winning couple and a director of the company. Is this for real? Can someone enlighten me?

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[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel Pte Ltd
Author: George [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Mar 30 2005, 17:09:17 Consider yourself lucky. Don't ever think about it! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Fake Holiday Scam by Oriental Travel, Singapore

Author:
pauline
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Date Posted: Fri, Apr 01 2005, 0:43:21

Wow... lucky never sign... Actually I received 2 letters and throw them away. Unitl my husband decided to sit in one afternoon when he finished work early and got nothing to do. It became very suspicious when my husaband refused to reveal his occupation and told them its classified, and can see they very uneasy. The other things that make us feel weird is "strictly no mobile phone allowed". What kind of policy is that to treat customers. And when like someone mentioned, when you asked to go toilet, they will "escort" you. And worst, the malay/indian "manager" got angry when we asked about cost.... Can't believed people will buy anything from them. I'll help you guys surface this to the authorities and the media...

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[> Subject: Had a narrow escape from Oriental Travles

Author:
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Date Posted: Sun, Apr 24 2005, 16:47:33

Hi All,

Thanks for this forum where we could share our bad experience and admonish others.

We received a call from Oriental Travles couple of days back stating that we have been selected to receive $1000 voucher and a digital camera & 14days free accomadation any where in the world. when we spoke to them we were curious to know about how they actually got our name & contacts for which we never received a reply as we were busy we ignored asking further and we opted to attend the seminar as their was no-obilgation to buy anything from them.

As we entered, we were asked to switch off our mobiles as long as we were in their place. We were mesmerised with the perks and incentives and the places on slides.Before we heard a part of details their was the announcement a couple had signed and had won a free trip to Alaska curise we woundered how can the matters be briefed so quickly as we were just half way through it ( we think this was a scam ,they should have made their own employee as a first client.)

once the session was over we were to call our children but they denied and insisted on signing the contarct before we could make a phone call. My wife went out to the reception and called my children as it was 11:00PM late night.

we asked them the reason for switching off the mobile we were never given a clear answer. These things made us feel fishy about the whole thing. They had files of appreciation letters which we just had a glimpse of it and they took it away before we could gotru that.

When we insisted on having more time to think the guy named PREM added additional trips for signing the contract immediately or never. We had an impluse to sign but as time went on he started to get agitated. we went in to sign the contarct and felt their were few tricky lines in them. Then we firmly denied to sign and steped out at 1:00 AM. The guy PREM started to talk in a threating way and was abusive he had prejudiced our modesty. once we started to retaliate he skipped out and let us walk away.

we regret for that evening and should have made use of these websites to aquire enough info before accepting these invitations.

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[> [> Subject: Lets get back at Oriental Travel ( Jue Shi Marketing)

Author:
Nana
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Date Posted: Tue, May 03 2005, 23:10:48

Hmmm...I received the letters and calls. Know there may be some kind of gimmics, but really wanna to find some way of saboing them. Lets think of some...

I also wan to share what my mother did, some time back to the time share people. (She very free lah)

One night, she went to the presentation alone, even tho she promised that her hubby will be present. When she arrived and the people noted that she was alone and rather old, they did not allow her in and wanted to get her away by giving some lousy vouchers. But, she insisted as that she would stay on for the talk as she already made her way there. (They had promised Takashimaya vouchers then.) The people there could not out talk her and had to let her in. In the end she did not buy (of course), she told them that life time membership so what becoz she already so old, cannot live another 30 years to enjoy the $30k membership.

She got away with $40 vouchers (no gimmics), $100 seafood voucher (no minimum spending) and some other lousy tour vouchers. She did not sign up for anything.

Maybe, some of us who are more strong minded should attend these talks and let them waste their time....

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[> Subject: I WANT OUT....please pray for me that I can..

Author:
DADA
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Date Posted: Sun, May 08 2005, 2:06:12

I regretted I felt asleep too soon yesterday. I wanted to check on the net last nite before attending the talk but I was too tired and dozed off. THen , my husband & I went for the talk at noon and I was skeptical of the whole presentation. However, like said, they made lots of offers that really tempted my husband who loves to travel and in the end, he actually agreed to pay upfront(deposit) of $500 for the GOLD membership. I thought that the offer was too good to be true...but well....he thought it was an investment for our family. However when I got home I still had a very heavy heart abt the whole thing and tried to talk sense to my hubby. We sat down and really talk and calculate and only then he believed me that it all a bit tto good to be true. So guys, tonight, I am writing a letter of cancellation of contract and praying hard that my hubby and I can get out of the whole thing by tomorrow before the 3-day period is over...please wish me luck !!!

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[> [> Subject: Oriental Travel
Author: Fred Gan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, May 16 2005, 19:09:32 Hi, I certainly wish you the very best of luck. I hope you are able to share the outcome of your request for cancellation by now. Best wishes. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: oriental again !!!!!

Author:
Steve
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Date Posted: Wed, May 18 2005, 0:56:34

ha, just as i tot !!!

where got so big frog jumping around the street...
(a chinese saying, forgive me if I'm wrong)

Just received a fax stating that I won a plasma 42in.
Once i got this letter i knew it is a scam !!!!
Was a victim once a few years back n learnt my lesson.
Normally when you win something, it usually will be from
a lucky draw(due to ur purchases of some items)
n and prizes will be collected at their respective offices..
therefore when u see a letterhead stating some marketing
company or travels....etc, BEWARE !!!

Anyway, greed is the word. If u are not sure about the winning, run a check on the company's name and u might get some idea.

GOOD LUCK :)

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[> Subject: same experience!

Author:
Miracle escape!
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Date Posted: Sun, May 22 2005, 0:31:31

we also got scammed on orchard road! luckily for this site! thank you! all the steps, letters, prizes and calls are all true. whatever ppl have said on this site is what my husband and i encountered also. exact match. isn't this enough proof that ordinary singaporeans like you and me are still getting cheated today? the 1st posting on this site dates back 3 yrs ago..and they're still around doing the same thing. What does it say? that nobody is doing anything abt it until they are scammed! the authorities are not doing anything abt it, or is it because they can't? U mean it's legal to subtly con the public? if legal action is taken, perhaps contracts with Oriental travel, jue Shi mktg as well as those survey forms and letters can be taken as evidence.... it must be a collective effort.

Good Luck and Thank GOD!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
the woman on the street, JL

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[> [> Subject: Same Experience
Author: Mike Poh [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, May 24 2005, 12:35:04 Good idea to form a collective group. BUT, noticeably absent from all of the discussion are attempts to make follow-up contact with Jue Shi Marketing. Like everyone else, all I have is a PO box number and an e-mail address. Does anyone know Jue Shi's physical address/location, a contact name/s and telephone number/s. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Same Experience
Author: George [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat, May 28 2005, 17:58:24 Jue Shi Marketing Pte Ltd 1, Scotts Road, #18-02, Shaw Centre, S.228288 Tel : 68833088 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: I received it too
Author: Edwin Yong [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, May 25 2005, 20:52:06 Hi all, I've received the letter and would like to share with all of you in order to warn those that who don't know. Remember, don't fall into the trap! http://www.geocities.com/wrxykh/scan0001.jpg http://www.geocities.com/wrxykh/scan0002.jpg Cheers [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Any way to get back at them?

Author:
Mave
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Date Posted: Sat, May 28 2005, 1:33:47

Any way to get back at these people? Community power can get them to stop what they are doing....Good thing I did not sign up...

But I am not sure if those who sign up are real in the first place...they could be actors. If they are then they are paying so much for nothing. The last price was $19980.00. Ridiculous!!!

Can we use community power to warn people? Maybe we all can arrange to go down together...all 100 of us in this forum and scare the hell out of them...ie to get them to waste time... can tekan them...

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[> Subject: Follow Up Attack

Author:
Mave
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Date Posted: Sat, May 28 2005, 23:22:05

Can easily check with RCB to get their address. However I still think it is better if we can find a way to sabo them. If all of us here just pop in to Oriental travel and make a big hoo ha there...wonder if that will teach them a lesson. We make them waste their time on us and we try to be louder than the music to make them feel lao kui. If someone "signs" up we all boo at the same time.....

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Lucky Fellow [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Jun 01 2005, 15:59:31 While checking the companies on the net, I came to know about this forum. I was called up for the third and final reminder to collect the prizes and attend the 2 hrs talk at Shaw House. This a scam! Why there are ways to stop these companies from these nosense. Lucy Fellow [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
RAJA
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 16 2005, 13:18:22

Hi All,

I received a phonecall last night. Its was automated and informed me that I had just won a prize and I am to collect it this Friday. A lady called me up the next day and told me the same thing. She told me that I have won one the 4 top prize which were Toyota Corrolla or 25k cash, 42" plasma TV, travel voucher worth $1000, a notebook. She kept on telling me that I definitly will win one of the prizes and if I don't win I can look her up. She gave me her name. She said she will be at the presentation

I was told that they are organising on behalf of the lottery commission. She told me that need to be dressed properly as the chairman of ESPN will be presenting the prizes and the media will be there to record the events. I told the lady that I will attend.

She kept on saying that they are not time sharing company and there is no obligation to buy or sign up.

The requirements to qualify are the same as been posted on this forum.

I received an e-mail with all the details. Just that it seemed too good. My wife and myself were undecided to go.

I was surfing the net to find more information on and came across this forum. I also came across other forums with similar experience with Oriental marketing.

Thanks to all your comments. I won't be going to the demonstration, although I just told the lady who just called me while I am writing this mail that I will be attending.

One more thing. The letter stated that I should not bring and children, friends or relatives. When I received the call this afternoon, I told the lady that I would be bringing my 7 yrs old son, just to see what their reaction would be. I was told that there have a nanny and play area where my child can be left during the presentation.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Viz
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2005, 16:21:31

They are really super confidence & challenge me to sue them if this is a scam. The lady who called me just now - Jasmine - even asked me to embarrass her in front of everyone else if I don't win any of the BIG 4 prizes. Also, they even dare to claim that they are registered with Police CID & Singapore Toto board or whatever. Should ask New Paper to do a scoop on this. They have another "AWARD PRESENTATION" tomorrow & Thursday afternoon & evening. BTW, John Dyke of ESPN supposedly will be there to give me my CAR! :)
Btw, the Diamond watch brand is "I can't pronounced the swiss brand"... She try hard-selling me to go down for 30min on the phone. She must be making quite a good commission getting people to go down. They seems to be very well trained nowadays, have a good answer to everything that I threw back to them.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Jefferson
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Date Posted: Mon, Jul 04 2005, 21:29:44

I should hv read this b4 I attended the talk the other day. I am very surprise that they are still in business despite all these happening. I had a ' good fight ' with Oriental Travel after knowing that there was no lucky draw presentation, and even talked outside its office. When I started to asked those who attended if they r also conned into this lucky draw, one of the manager quickly pulled me aside, and refused to let me talk to the rest. He even threaten to call security. I support the idea of bringing this up to Straits Times or any media to quickly stop this scam.
Let me know if anyone need more info.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Ashley
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Date Posted: Thu, Jul 07 2005, 22:12:44

I am really glad I did my research and found this forum. Same old story, they called up my husband informing about winning a prize etc etc. We are supposed to attend the presentation tomorrow night. Definitely not going now. Hubby told them to go donate the so called prize to charity. Thanks again for those who share their experience!

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: jipi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2005, 20:07:43 i am still getting letters from them. is there a way to ban them from using our home addresses? jipi [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
TK
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Date Posted: Tue, Aug 02 2005, 21:00:24

Thanks to all for sharing your experience. My husband recieved a call follow by fax today. They also said that they are not selling timeshare and there is no gimmicks, etc.. They promised sure win Plasma TV or car or at least a diamond watch. Luckily we found this website and found out the truth. No way we are going to waste 2 hours at the presentation tomorrow!

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
LK
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Date Posted: Sun, Aug 21 2005, 2:24:00

ya hi, i just got the letter again for a second time... There seems to be a picture of the last car winner there this time and some ESPN stars there. The picture looks quite true but how many ppl are really that lucky to win the car... I have attended the talk before and have gotten my diamond watch (the usual one) but speculating to attend again for a second chance to see if i will win the car. Although, the sales pressure applied is very high but still wanna check out how lucky can I get... What do you guys think? Of course I wont be buying anything...

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[> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Adrian Teo [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thu, Aug 25 2005, 12:24:08 Hey LK, i just want to find out what kind of diamond watch it is? Do you know how much does it cost? Regards, Adrian [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Kelly
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Date Posted: Sun, Aug 21 2005, 15:57:42

My husband received a similar letter on Fri and were told to call up within 48 hrs to make an appt-2 hrs presentation, thereafter (without obligations to purchase) will get our lucky draw prize-unclaimed prize of Toyota Corolla or cash of 25K, 42"plasma TV, diamond watch,notebook, digital cam, world vacation. Their office is at Shaw House #12-08. Somehow, we just felt everything is too good to be true so we decided to surf the internet for more details on this company Jue Shi Marketing/Touch & Tech Media (Oriental Travel Pte Ltd). Thank God we came across this forum. Tks for all who posted their experiences here, hence, I thought we should do the same so that no one kena con by them-We support the ideas to sabo them....but how??

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: sim [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2005, 2:26:25 Does anyone of you have a lawyer friend who is able to help to have a look at the mailer that they are sending out? Is the mailer promising something that they are not fulfilling? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

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Talwinder
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Date Posted: Tue, Aug 30 2005, 22:53:28

Hi everyone,

It is sad to say I only discovered this site after being a member. I took up GCR membership for three years. I paid a total of 5K. All those who are considering joing them, PLEASE DO NOT. The amount you will be paying them will come to your holiday cost. The accomodation that they offer are Timeshare apartments and hotels which it is hard to say meet the 4 star or 5 star level to my standards. Let me inform you in KL they offer accomodation in Duta Vista (A Timeshare property), Grand Seasons, Crown Princess, KL Suites, Berjaya Time Square, Legend and few others. My first experience was to book for a holiday in Maldives. If you have been for their presentation they mention about Maldives Hilton at 500 plus for a week in a suite. That is all a lie when it came to my booking. They did not have the hotel at that price and were offering me other packages. These packages were what I could get from other travel agents probably cheaper by a few hundred dollar cheaper. When I question them about their presentation, it took them 2 to 3 days before they answered my calls. each time you call them, sorry sir the travel agaent is busy with a client. They only return my call when I raised my voice and told them I was coming down to their office to settle the matter there. They accomodation is only with limited units at the special price, this is their claim which no one can verify. I was booking this holiday 1 month in advance. I do not see any 60 to 70 % savings. I made a calculation of what GCR offer to that what is offered over the net by others, the difference is not much. I had just put in a request for Bali, to visit in December, let see what they offer. I will keep everyone informed on the outcome. BUT PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY IN THIS.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Alan
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Date Posted: Mon, Sep 19 2005, 22:00:52

Anyone who cancel & not received the full refund? We went to their Shaw office to tell them we want to cancel during the so call 'cooling period' & the unhappy guy there asked WHY? WHY? We told him dat we are simply exerting our rights under the consumer guides. At the end he say the company will pay us back the full deposit, but unfortunately its not been done. We are goin to CASE to demand back the $$$, anyone want to join us?

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Author: kavidhev [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2006, 15:33:43 Hi friends, Same experience to me. I paid deposit of 3k through my credit card. Next day I saw this form and cancelled my agreement. They gave me a white photo copy slip stating they will return the money in 90 days. I dont know how reliable the document is. Can I go for case. Please advice. Thanks, [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Ram
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Date Posted: Tue, Oct 18 2005, 12:37:32

Alan,

You need to really fight to get the money back from them. They will not come back asking you to collect your money. If you are not able to get hold of the people on their normal line(usually this will be the case), try to call 67324066 and talk to any of the accountants there.

We were one of the unfortunate couples who signed up for the membership and paid $5000 as a deposit. After cancelling the membership with-in 5days cooling period, I have to wait for almost 8 weeks to get my money back and not before making numerous calls & couple of emails(which were never answered). I even spoke to CASE to get my refund, but before I proceed with them I got my money back. But, I have to pay late fee/interest on my credit card bills. They first promised me they will pay back to my credit card and nothing will be given to my hand. But later they asked me to collect the cheque from their office. Its really a frustrating experience.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Jacqueline Tan
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Date Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2005, 20:14:27

I have paid up the membership fee of almost $20,000.

Then came the surprise. We ask them to quote for a 10 days Turkey Trip. It was infact the same price as advertised by Dynasty Travel. The even got their itinary from Dynasty Travels.

We protested and came the another quote. This time it was exactly same as that offered by SA Tours. Of course, the itinary also comes from SA Tours.

The sales consultant said that "there is nothing he can do!".

Surely, I can do something. I have seeked CASE help to obtain a refund. It may take months.

Whoever that happens to find this forum. just remember this.

Keep your money in the pocket and book your tour with the local tour companies. Leave Oriental Travels alone FOREVER.

Victim.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: Jeremy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thu, Nov 03 2005, 15:54:32 Hi I am in the progress of getting a refund from oriental. If u wanna join in, pse email me at ascendas18@yahoo.com.sg tks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Jacqueline Ng
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 04 2005, 14:39:01

Hi,

My husband received the same letter again for the 3rd time. This time round, they offer Hyundai Accent, $10,000 cash and so on. Knowing that it's a scam as our very close family friend had recently fallen into their trap, we decided to attend the talk and hopefully able to get good evidents against them. Any good suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: sim [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun, Nov 06 2005, 15:21:05 A video recording of their wrong doing would be good. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Geraldine
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Date Posted: Thu, Nov 24 2005, 14:29:09

Hi
I just got a call from a lady who's representing Oriental Travels. She also said that they are not a time share company, no purchase needed, no need to attend a presentation, just have to go to Shaw Towers to collect the voucher. But when we're there, the staff will do a demonstration of their new website which in all should not take longer than 2 hrs. Already that got me thinking, at first she said no need to attend presentation but at the end she said need to go through demonstration - they're just using a different word. After I agreed to go and pick up the voucher I decided to do a bit of surfing and came across such forums. Obviously I'm not keeping that appointment anymore! Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
David
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 05 2005, 20:47:38

I actually sat through something like this almost 5 years back (when my wife was pregnant with our first child). We had to decline their membership three times to three different people, a sales rep, a manager and finally a director. Wasted more than 2 hours there. Those guys give "hard-selling" a whole new different meaning. I think that was under the Royal Crown Group too. Looks like they just changed their name. So, I knew something was fishy the moment I picked-up my phone just an hour ago. This guy asked a few questions and said I'm one of 92 lucky people who is entitled to a 14-day holiday and a video-cam worth $1300. I let the guy talked for a while (saying the usual stuff), asked a few questions and confirmed I'll be attending. He then put the manager on the line and this guy with a heavy Indian accent went through the same script with me. I asked him what happens if "for-some-reaon" we can't attend. He went on to say things like "they have to pay taxes for the gifts, etc and they don't want that". I just told him to fax the letter to me and I'll "try" to attend. He didn't sound too please. Maybe he smelled a rat.....

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels/Jue Shi Marketing

Author:
Harry
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Date Posted: Sun, Dec 18 2005, 15:25:20

Hello all,

Just for your information, the "scam" is still on. My wife received the same phone call and being told the same thing about having won prizes blah blah blah. As usual, we were asked to attend a 2-hour session on 18 Dec 05 evening before we can claim the prizes. I am very glad that there is this website with which we can be informed, before we make the mistake of attending the session.

Legally, it is not a scam per se because they will give you stuff, vs nothing at all. However, what is unacceptable is how they "market" the whole set-up. They are operating within the bounds of law but at the same time use loopholes in the same law to achieve their ends.

The best response is NOT to attend or even entertain them.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Yuki
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Date Posted: Sun, Dec 18 2005, 23:00:04

Edwin
You did a wonderful deed, forewarning those who have not fallen prey to these unscrupulous scams who are out to rip innoncent victims to the bones.
Unfortunately those who have been swindled are still trying to get a redress and to recover the parted hard earned dues.
I am certain that all us would like to address such criminal acts conducted by these crooks and bring back justice.
To this end, I think it would be appropriate that there shall be a gathering all of the innocent victims, march to Oriental Travel office and demand to recover the loss. Bring in reporters and drum up a commotion so that the world get to know such scam and bring back some order to our society.
Thoughts ???

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
KB
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 19 2005, 20:02:03

Another timeshare gimmick. This time round, they (Oriental Travel)claim that you will be given a free gift (a cam corder) for 2 hrs of your time (not you winning a lucky draw or the survey done along orchard road, a new ball game altogether). Futhermore, they ensure you that it is not a timeshare presentation. No selling etc etc... Rather, it is suppose to be an introductory to their new internet travel service. They even give you a "black & white" emphasing those mentioned above
Out of curiousity to see what they are up to, I went for the event & found that it is not true. The whole place have TimeShare written all over it (posters of resorts, testimonials of "satisfied" customer etc). Hell, the sales rep doesn't even know what I'm talking about when I brought the Internet thingy up. So I gave him a piece of my mind & walked out of there even b4 the presentation starts. Spent the rest of the evening with wife shopping at Isetan instead.

It was fun chewing up the guy though....

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[> [> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Naresh
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 21 2005, 1:22:00

I'm the unlucky one! The scam is still on. The names to watch out for are:
- Oriental Travels
- Gold Crown Resort
- Jue Shi Marketing Pte Ltd
- New Century Group

Address:
350 Orchard Road
Shaw House, #12-08/09/10
Singapore 238868
Tel: 6238 3836

Company Reg No: 200102114E

I stupidly paid $3,000 via credit card on Sunday (18 Dec 2005) and posted the cheque today to "get" the "free" camcorder gift. Sounds more like a free S$69 for them, that too via registered mail! Had to stop the cheque costing me S$20.

Will be going to CASE (http://www.case.org.sg) this morning. According to "Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) (Cancellation of Contracts) Regulations 2003", we have a 3 days cool off period which is TODAY 21 Dec 2005. Checked with Credit Card company and was told that the amount is still on float. So the company has not got the money yet but it's as good as given. I need to call up Credit Card's security dept 1st thing in the morning to seek for advise. With this website, I've may have a case.

Cool off (for both parties to think over and possibly annul the contract if need be) period is vital for me as I need to cancel the contract with the assistance of CASE to ensure I do it correctly.

Thanks to the webmaster.

Had to take urgent leave from company for this task.

I can't believe I fell for the oldest trick in the book.

Will keep u folks posted on my battle. I was hoping if I could get some names and contact from this websites from folks who have been duped like me so we can put up a strong case.

Since this is a scam, I may need to report to police since the scammers are still around at the premise.

Wish me luck on my battle!

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Author:
Naresh
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 28 2005, 1:09:24

Went back and forth from CASE to Oriental Travels (OT), about 4 times in a day (9am to 6:30pm). Why? OT was playing with the dates on the acknowledgement letter.

I demanded that they sign with company's chop on the Notice of Cancellation. They only wrote their name and chopped on the letter. They REFUSED to sign saying that they have written their name on it and that is sufficient as it has the company's chop on it already.

On the Acknowledgement letter it has 3 parts. Top part was the "Date of Processing", whch they said they ONLY do it on Thursdays (one day a week). How conveniently it's a "Thursday" as the psycho session was on Sunday and we are to submit the Notice of Cancellation by the 3rd day, i.e. Wednesday. The 2nd part was the Date of Return of the documents. This was correctly put as 21 Dec 2005. (Can't recall the 3rd part. It's filed up in the cupboard now.)

But although it was correctly put as 21 Dec 2005, that too after I had gone back and forth with CASE and OT a few times and finally I told the receptionist off, why can't you just reissue me with another acknowledgement letter since this "letter" is so messy with several cancellations and chops all over for the cancellation? Her answer, sorry we can't. Company policy. %$#&!

They swindle several thousands of dollars from us and cannot afford another cheap piece of photocopy paper with some standard acknowledgement pre-print and mostly handwrittened on the spot by the receptionist. Crap!

I went out of the office and found an elderly couple (roughly in their 70s) and spoke to them about OT. They said that they have been conned about more than a year back. They have fully paid up now. They have never received any Gift Certificates as promised during their psycho session. Mostly when OT quotes them the price of the "resorts", they are usually from other agencies like SA Tours or Chan Brothers etc. The old couple have to kick up a fuss with OT before OT can give them a small discount. The old couple never book flights from OT, only accomodation.

In the psycho session I had on 18 Dec 2005, I was assured an average of 40% to 60% off the existing market price for accomodation and flight. Total crap!

Now CASE tells me that since I have the Notice of Cancellation which I took down personally as well as couriered down to them as well on the same day (this was a must for proof that I had done it on time), I now have to play the waiting game to see if on the 22nd of January 2006, I will get my refund of S$3000 or not. The papers I have should be able to hold up in court as it is not I but THEY (OT) who will have to explain the inconsistencies of the dates on the acknowledgement letter.

Will keep you folks informed of the outcome in late January 2006. Wish me luck!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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Author: kavidhev [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2006, 15:42:26 Hi friend, I also lost my 3k with OT. Next day of my signup i cancelled my agreement. OT gave me a photo copy of cancelled agreement in which there is no company seal or logo. they have written in that they will refund in 90days. Can I go to CASE. Please advice. thanks, [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Rama [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2006, 21:10:57 I too got into similar mess. But they refunded me but only after 90 days. Pl cancel before the 3 days cooling off period. Got back my money. Did not go to case. I did have an option to go in case they defaulted the 90days agreement Rama [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
ks
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2005, 15:18:25

I salute the person who started this forum. This is of great service to the society that those who read this forum will not fall into the same trap.

I signed up as a member of Gold Crown Resort through Oriental Travel in Dec 2002, after 5-hours hard-talk. Upfront I paid about S$10k with their promise to refund me $2.5k after 5-years, or $5k after 10-years. All I need to do is remain as their member and send back the Annual Address Confirmation Notice every year using registered post.

The resorts they offered are remotely located out of town. Since day one I never ever used their service at all.

The only occasion that I attempted to use their service was that one day I went to Oriental Travel office to book for a ticket for Singapore-Fuzhou trip. They quoted me a fare $50 more expansive than another travel agent. I did not book the ticket through them and I never go to their office since.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Alvin
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 28 2005, 18:10:06

Like many of you my wife and I went down to their office at Shaw House. This was back in October 2005 after my wife got a call from JSM saying she'd won a diamond watch. She had the impression it was an independent audit that led to them discovering an unclaimed prize. Despite our reservations we went down ot listen. We had resolved not to sign anything no matter what. The first thing that struck was was the excessively loud music. Our request to have it turned down was, turned down. The presenter was slick, and even circumvented our reservations by saying he knows some of us had made a resolve not to sign anything no matter what the circumstances. That made us laugh and relax. He went on to say they weren't into Timeshare and said that many of us would think that that was all it was about. This further lowered our guard. Then came all these wonderful images of holiday destinations and opulent hotel accommodations that we ordinary folk can only dream of- holiday villas on stilts in Tahiti where pink dolphins would swim up to greet you in the morning, luxury cruises in the Caribbean and Alsaka, etc. He went on to say that we could have it all at steeply discounted prices all because they save on advertisements and pass the savings to us. There were also promises of gift holidays for the first couples who signed on. Indeed, some genuine-looking about-to-be fleeced types were quick to commit themselves even as our sales rep was only half-way through her presentation. This sort of put some pressure on us. We allowed ourselves to be carried away in the excitement of it all, despite all the tell tale signs - must bring credit card (which I thought they would force us to use there and then but they claim we cannot access their website without one), no cellphones (which I thought most strange), no children (which I thought they circumvented an excuse for not committing), etc. Both my wife and I are pragmatic types, even skeptics, but somehow we chose to believe what they were selling. May be it was the music that made it hard for us to communicate, let alone concentrate, may be we were very tired by the end of the session, and may be it was the allure of getting something we previously thought not possible until we retire. But we (foolishly) committed ourselves by signing along the dotted line.
The euphoria continued until the next morning when we tried to access the website (it was down the night we were at their office- another warning!). We were told by the receptionist that it was not possible until the whole membership dues was fully paid up. I thought it was ridiculous as they had promised up 12 months free installments and now we had to wait a year before making our first booking? I said I wanted to speak to someone of authority and was promised they would get someone to call me back. Well we waited, followed by more phone calls to them only to get the same message. It was night before we finally got through to someone. By this time we were so fed up that we had decided to cancel our agreement with Oriental Travels. We thought if this was the level of service we were getting (and this is during the cooling-off period where naturally you would want to be extra helpful to your customers) it would only get worse after we became members. Up to this time we weren't aware of this website! Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise that we got so lousy a service! Who knows we might have exceeded the cooling-off period had the service been better. Anyway, we managed to get back our deposit of S$10K (foolish!!) and even the S$3K admin charges, albeit more than a month later. We consider ourselves very fortunate to have been able to wriggle our way out of a wasted 'investment'. A friend later alluded us to the "Crimeshare" website where all the infamous timeshare cheat companies are listed, and Oriental Travel is one of them! I thought I would get my money's worth in lieu of my wasted time with them, by proceeding with the watch and camcorder claims. Now I realise that even these 'prizes' are worth less than the postage. Indeed, both Oriental Travels and Jue Shi Marketting are cheats to the core. My wife called the watch delaer who claims it is worth S$300, although he admitted that the diamonds themselves cost no more than $1-2 each! They still had the last laugh!! When the excitement dies and you are able to think more logically, you begin to realise what they claim are really lies and at best, half-truths. How can Oriental Travel claim they are passing the savings to us (by not advertising) if we are booking through Gold Crown? I did manage to access the website and found that the available accommodations are very limited. For example, in the UK, only a couple of London establishments are available for booking, and these are clearly timeshre units, not luxury hotels. What if you wanted to travel up north? The same can be said about the Australian destinations, and I believe elsewhere.
I wonder up to now why no one has written to the Straits times to complain about Oriental Travels? Has anyone been able to enjoy the promised luxury acoomodations at steeply discounted prices?

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Author: coolrunner [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2006, 23:08:52 does anyone have any information regarding another company doing similar business, Discovery VIII [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Naresh
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2006, 14:05:11

Kavidhev, I would advise that you go back and demand that they put a company chop on it. Make sure that there is a date of receipt .... handwritten is fine. You may go to CASE and seek for advise. CASE's telephone number is 6463 1811.

I have taken leave today to follow up with the 30 day end date. Will let everyone know how it goes.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
sf
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 07 2006, 14:01:24

Hi, I was received the similar calls yesterday and even during lunch time today. Same company, Jue Shi Marketting and Oriental Travel Ptd Ltd. I was heard this kind of fishy incidents before and asked for their evidences. Angeline, the people whoe called me sent me this document to "proof" they are legal. I dun feel comfortable and start to search internet for clue and found this website. Thanks, guys to saving my money and not become the latest victim. Pls keep this website forever to prevent more victims.

The JSM company info for your reference.

Company Address: JSM, Robinson Road Post Office, PO Box 1540E, Singapore 903040 Tel: 65 836 6052 Fax: 65 6836 9068
Company Registered Number: 200411772 Z

Email Address - awards_dept@js.sg
___________________________________________________________
7th February 2006

Dear Mr. Teo Shao Fong,

RE: ARCHIVE OF PREVIOUS EVENTS UNDER CURRENT PROMOTION FOR OT TRAVEL PTE. LTD.

As previously stated, this event is a genuine advertising promotion to introduce the services of a licensed travel agent.

This serves as a written guarantee that the event DOES NOT feature timesharing, or points� membership holidays and there is no obligation to purchase anything in order to collect your awards.

Below are some (partial) documented examples of members of the Singapore public receiving awards from the sponsoring company.

This document is for your perusal only. This does not serve as your claim document.
You will be required to produce an official document in order to claim your awards. Claim document will be supplied upon confirming convenient time to collect you awards.

Please do not hesitate to contact Angeline directly on 68366485 to receive your official document for claim or for any clarifications.

Yours sincerely,

Angeline
___________________________________________________________

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Lisa
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Date Posted: Thu, Feb 09 2006, 8:52:18

Hi I used to live in s'pore. I feel sad to those people were being cheated by those company. I am one of the lucky couples who doesn't want to sign at few years back.When we walked along orchad road, we was telling that we could get some gift if we came to the office ( after filled the form)for some information.
When we entered the office we saw a maquete and some pictures of the resort. Something bizzard was going on. A few minutes after the presentation began. It was a very odd and boring. Just after few minute the presentation, we stared to leave them. they were surprised and shocked to our act. My husband told them that we were not interesting with your offer. And we left. We knew that is not polite way to say no, but otherwise they would press us to do something regreted.And a good luck for people whose want to get money back.

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Author:
Lucky star
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 14 2006, 1:12:22

After reading this forum, can't believe that this fishy business by Oriental Travel is still flourishing since 2004? I just attended a 4 hour talk on Sat 11 feb 2006 but thank God, I almost but luckily did not sign on the dotted line!!

At the back of my mind, I somehow knew that it is a timeshare kind of thing and told my husband not to fall into the trap but he did not believe me so to prove him wrong, I agreed to go with him. Before we went in, We had resolved not to sign anything no matter what they said.

Perhaps, it is the drink they offer us, or maybe the loud music and the sales people, they show us photographs of their memorable trips to holiday destinations, and the sales consultant assigned to us, a 55 year old lady dressed like a gipsy very friendly and associated herself with Jimmy Henrick, some rock star, told us about her family and story, to make us feel that hey these are nice ordinary people.it sort of make us let our guards down..At some point, we are taken in and thought the whole thing was a good deal and almost wanted to give in after a 3 and half hours session.

We are lucky that we DID NOT sign. We also do not intend to claim the gifts after reading the info on this website.

Thinking of asking the media like Straits Time to see if they want to write a story on this sort of scam

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Ik
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 14 2006, 2:36:25

Hello,

They are stil out there!!!
I got a phone call yesterday, same story and same prizes offered. On the second call, when I said to the telemarketer that the company that she is working for is doing a scam, I think she actually confused, and she passed me to her boss (ang moh), he quickly hangs up when i said that i will not be attending the demo. Very different as compared to the first call where he talked nicely and very persuasive. I pity those telemarketers, i think they are also victims.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Linette
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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 17 2006, 18:05:30

In short, my husband & I attended the presentation in Nov 05 but we didn't sign up. However we paid $69 hoping for a video camera. Till today, nothing was received, and now all of us know why - it's a scam! Straightly this has been going on for years and OT and JS is still continuing with their scam. Some of you have taken your cases to CASE, yet CASE did nothing and allows them to continue to con more and more people. Why???
Is there any IT expert out there that we can include CASE in this forum?

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Charles
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 20 2006, 13:06:16

Dear Linette,

Have you contacted OT or Jue Shi about your camcorder? Have you brought the matter to CASE or the police? The problem is that most are doing nothing.

CASE is made up of few full time staff with volunteer support. Their job is to help consumers and to mediate. They are also helping with legislation. However, they are not legal authorities.

Unless sufficient people bring up the matter to CASE and the police, nothing can be done. Remember, there is nothing grey about these operations, the Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) Act is in black and white.

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[> Subject: Encounter with Oriental Travels

Author:
Doris
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 21 2006, 8:28:18

Hi Everyone,
Have anyone heard of Dynamikz Netwerkz? They have been calling us to go down to their office @ NAC for a chat to terminate our membership with Oriental Trave/Gold Crown. They promise over the phone that this is not a scam and they were given a project by Oriental Travel P L/Gold Crown to help those member who do not wish to keep this membership to dispose. We were so afraid of another conspiracy that we turn them down straight away. We do not want to end up signing and paying for some promise just to terminate OT/GC membership. I just want to hear from anyone who have been approach by Dynamikz Netwerkz and share their experience so that we can caution all Oriental Travel/Gold Crown Victim.

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[> Subject: Re: Encounter with Oriental Travels
Author: sgwatchdog [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Feb 21 2006, 9:17:16 fyi, oriental travel is also a NATAS member that means u can also complain to them http://www.natas.org.sg/HTML/ConsumerAffairs.asp [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Charles [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thu, Feb 23 2006, 12:58:24 Thank you sgwatchdog, you have a good point there ..... Unfortunately, too many seem to think that nothing can be done. Just check-out the thread by Vini & Jaws, they have gotten their money back. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author:
SN
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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2006, 14:35:17

I also got a phone call this morning about mentioning that I have won a free camcorder with 15 days stay in luxurious hotel.

The guy mentioned an international travel agency is setting up business... clearly stated its not time sharing gimmick etc. She asked what time we could make it on sunday, 26th Feb,06 for 1 hr and said 92 couples have been chosen in singapore with 2 from every district. They promised that I dont need to pay, sign or buy anything.

He asked age, if joint incomes was >5k, PR etc and after he got his answers he passed the phone to a senior(lady called herself Augustus)

They asked if i was above 30 and even though i said no, they were okay with it (Which made me wonder why they asked this in the first plece).

Their details are :-

Their email id is :"Awards Dept"
corporate office at 350 Orchard Road, #12-08/09/10, Shaw House, Singapore 238868.
Customer Hotline 68369557

When i mentioned to my husband, he quickly checked and confirmed this was a scam and wasnt worth spending any time.

This forum is useful and so I thought I will share my experience just to let you know, they are still out there!!! Beware!

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Author: Angie [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tue, Apr 25 2006, 16:15:40 I read with interest what OT has asked you. Its exactly what they did to me this morning !!! When I asked more, the supervisor got angry and bang the phone on me !! How rude !! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: SN [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2006, 14:40:49 email was from: awards_dept@js.sg [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Lena Ong
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Date Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2006, 11:33:18

I've just got a similar experience too. the lady telemarketeer is by the name of Jane (Tel : 6836 7621)and her senior is Shah. My appointment date supposed to be 2 March 06 (Thur), 3pm at 350 Orchard Road, #12-08/09/10, Shaw House, Singapore 238868. They said this is the VIP timeslot and i will be entitled the $1000 discount for my bookings with their listed travel agencies; Chan Brothers, was one of agencies they quoted.

The awards dept was very prompt in sending to me the email notification on the awards claim, soon after i confirmed my appointment with them.

luckily, i checked up the internet and found this forum, hence quickly call them back to cancel the appointment. This lady telemarketeer has to LL accept my reasons and ask me for references, such as my family members or frieds/colleagues. I declined.

Nearly fall into their trap...phew!

All readers - pls beware! Don't get tempted and tricked by this. Don't need to waste your time......

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Author:
Naresh
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 01 2006, 23:38:34

FINALLY!!! Got my money back! All S$3000. Signed up with CASE. Paid S$35. CASE wrote a letter to them and within 2 weeks, I got a call from OT that I can collect my money from them. My case was strong as I had sent the letter to OT within the cooling off period (3 days). Thus OT has no grounds not to pay back.

Why I went to CASE and paid S$35 was because OT started the buying time game with me emailing me to tell me that I have to wait 3 more weeks because they have run out of signed cheques and they have to wait for the signee to return back to Singapore from an overseas trip. CRAP! After CASE wrote them a letter, within 10 days I got a phone call from OT to tell me to come pickup the cheque from them.

Your case is strong if you have sent the letter (Notice of Cancellation) back to OT and ensure that you have a signed and chopped proof. I even went to the extent of doing a Local Urgent Mail service to ensure that I have proof of delivery (paid another few tens of dollars on that!) plus I went there personally and got them to sign and chop another identical letter (photocopied!).

If not for CASE, I would be in the waiting game at OT's mercy.

Rest assured the company is still alive and still on at their scams.

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Author:
Mei Ing
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Date Posted: Wed, Mar 08 2006, 11:50:30

Doris, I received a call from a lady named Lauren this morning from Dynamikz Netwerkz too. She mentioned that they are appointed by Time Sharing developer and help us to dispose those "studpid" memebership stuff.

My hubby claimed that this could be another gimmicks and trap to lure us in... I'm also in dilemma whether should go for it coz I really wish to get rid of that stupid membership and get back my hard earned money.

Naresh, can you share with me the detail on how you go after them and refunded your money? I really really wish to do so. Btw, I joined since 2003 but I was so regret since then.

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Author:
Ervin
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 12 2006, 11:28:40

Hi Everyone,

I also received a call from Lauren regarding Dynamikz Netwerkz last week, and have actually went to have a talk with Dynamikz Netwerkz (I'll call it DN from here on) on Saturday. Before I give any further details, for those that don't have time to read everything(which is VERY loooong), here's 1 statement for you:

Don't waste your time going down to talk to them!

Here's what happened.

After making the appointment with DN at NAC Tower B Level 16 (Leisure Group Marketing), what I did is this. Since they asked me to bring along my Grown Crown Resort Membership Agreement, I decided to photo-copy of it first, but with the amount that I paid blanked out. This is so that they won't know the amount that I paid, and will be forced to give a valuation based on the membership that I have. Theoretically, the value of my membership should be based on what I have, not what I paid for.

So, with this in mind, I brought along the agreement (both original and the photo-copied) and met up with them. First, a lady was assigned to me, and brought me down to Level 14 where there's another office. This seems to be the place where they do all the "phyco" sessions as I can see quite a number of people sitting around small tables and talking with some LGM staffs. When she asked me to show her my membership, I counter-ask her and ask her for details as to what this meeting will be all about. When I ask her that, all she can ask is, wasn't I informed about it? When I ask her for more details, she looks like her mind just blanked out. My conclusion then is that she doesn't know anything at all.

So, I showed her the photocopy of the agreement to see if it will jolt her memory. When she saw that the amount I paid isn't shown, she doesn't know how to continue, and went out to ask her "manager" to come in.

So, this "manager" came into the room. Right from the 1st word that he spoke, he is showing a very arrogant attitude, and is talking to me very loudly. He is obviously not keen on even negotiating or finding out what we want. All he can say is that his valuator cannot give a price unless he can see how much I paid. I keep asking him to give me a valuation based on the membership's own value, but he refused, saying without the price I paid, it is worth $0! He even had the audencity to use a pen to write the word $0 on the photo-copied agreement, Twice! By this time, he is almost like shouting at me alraedy.

Then when I told him that if this is his stand, we have nothing to discuss, and he said that I can leave anytime.

When I hear that, I know that continuing this "talk" is not worth the time spent, and I just walked out.

In view of this, I suggest that anyone considering meeting up with them either scrap the either, or do what I did, show them an agreement with the price blanked out. If they know the price we paid for, then based on this, they will definitely negotiate a lower price.

The only think I regret not doing is to make a din in the office there and scare away all the victims that are still talking to them.

As for Lauren (from Dynamikz Netwerkz), I don't think she knows anything either. Sounds more like LGM outsourced the task of calling up the victims to Dynamikz Netwerkz.

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Author:
Naresh
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Date Posted: Mon, Mar 13 2006, 2:05:39

Mei Ing,

I would suggest for you to go down to CASE and see what they recommend. Give them full details. But one thing is for sure. You will get disappointed as they will say that the paper signed is a legally abiding document as they did not force you to sign and you signed with your own free will (not taking into consideration how you were psychoed into signing like I was!).

The thing to do is to see what they can suggest for you to do. Like many have said in the forum, once you are in, it's difficult to get rid of it, unless you find a gullible person. The moral question now is, would you want someone else (the gullible person) to go through what you are going through? If you can sell it back to OT, fine, and if not, then you'll need to find a way to dispose of it. What you can do is to seek CASE's advise on the do's and don'ts. Maybe like do not pay for more maintenance fees. Maybe you want to consider it as a bad investment and let go of it, do not invest anymore into it (to name just a few). But do not expect a solution from CASE. Just something they can advise you, not for a solution, but I wouldn't say it's a way out of this either. You have been in it for 3 years now, you must have fully paid up by now.

I'd hate to say this but I have to give it to you. You case is not as strong as mine as I had given the letter to them within the 3 days cooling off period. But there's a more professional body you can turn to at least, rather than myself. If I can think of another way, I will write in. If you have any friends in the legal arena, you may want to consult them rather than CASE, if you do not have friends in the legal society, then CASE is your best starting point.

All the best.

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Author:
Mei Ing
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 16 2006, 13:32:12

Naresh,

Thanks for your advise.

Hi All,

Recently I requested OT to quote an air ticket price but I noticed the price is even higher than I check with individual airline website. I expressed dissatisfaction and the officer phoned me awhile ago.

Prior to this, I did sent in request for quotation on Bali trip and Taiwan for past years. The rate was not impressed me at all and far behind the rate provided by other agencies.

I feel very unhappy as they seems like twisted their words saying we can't compare to promotion rate etc.

I would like to check with other "victims" whether want to meet up together at their office to confront with them? Unfortunately the customer service officer only available during weekdays. How about fix on next Thursday?

You may write to me at meiing_pua@yahoo.com.sg to get contact.

Thanks for your patience and hope to hear from you soonest.

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Author:
Charles
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 11 2006, 1:34:42

Sorry, I have to disagree with Naresh. Just read the post by Vini & Jaws and how they got their money back even after the "cooling-off" period.
The misrepresentations by OT are clearly in violation of the Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) Act. Furthermore, if this is constantly and consistently done, it should constitute an intent to cheat.

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Author:
Your Friend
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Date Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2006, 14:30:50

Today I got a call from this company. They said they are calling from starhub and offering me a free digital camera for being a loyal customer for 4 years. When I ask them to send me a letter of the same, they sent me the following email (see below). I was already aware of this company OT TRAVEL PTE. LTD.,(Oriental Travel). I had a bad experience with them. They called me for a free lecture and asked me to deposit S$10,000 for some stupid plan of theirs. Luckly I was brave enough to say NO to them and walk away without signing anything. Now, they try to fool me again. This is for any one who also gets a similar email, STAY AWAY FROM THEM. NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD.

copy of their email
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RE: ARCHIVE OF PREVIOUS EVENTS UNDER CURRENT PROMOTION FOR OT TRAVEL PTE. LTD.

As previously stated, this event is a genuine advertising promotion to introduce the services of a licensed travel agent.

Below are some (partial) documented examples from the National Press of members of the Singapore public receiving awards from the sponsoring company.

This letter is for your perusal only. This does not serve as your claim document of which you will be required to produce in order to claim your awards. Claim documents will be supplied upon confirming a mutually convenient time for collection.

Please do not hesitate to contact me, Hamiza directly on 6836 0053 to receive your official documents or for any further clarifications.

Yours sincerely,

Hamiza

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Author:
Angie
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 25 2006, 15:16:07

I must thank the internet for providing quick info on OT. I was approached by the staff this morning thru'ofc phone call. In order to claim the prize I must answer a few questions (exactly what Benjamin has listed). Well, Bingo !I got all correct answers !! He asked if I wanted to claim my prize thru' fax or email. I chose the latter. He told me to come down to their office this or next week with my husband to claim !! He assured me no strings attached, simply give aways. I found it fishy and started questioning the caller if its a time share. He got the cheek to answer "NO" and asked me if I've been approached before by Time Share Company. I asked him many questions instead. Finally he asked me to hold on & passed the call to his supervisor !!! Well, I started to question even more !!! I asked for the contact no. and supervisor asked me why I requested that in the middle of conversation. I told him I want to verify further. He was beginning to sound irritated that I was not buying his idea. He got angry and bang down the phone !! well, he didn't know I'm actually online checking them. :)

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Author:
Martina
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Date Posted: Wed, May 24 2006, 11:27:37

Hi everybody!

I really regret that I found this forum too late. Would somebody who has become the member of Goldcrown Resort share his experience with me? I became a member in late 2005 and so far have not used any facility that the company claims they can offer. I'm planning to do so this coming June. Looking forward to hear from some member(s).
Thanks a lot.

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Author:
Charlie
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Date Posted: Thu, May 25 2006, 18:51:28

Anyone know that they now do not represent Full circle and if you want to sell yr membership away, oriental will not do it for you instead ask you to write to them direct.

Right now they are calling back those existing members who brought some years back to go down and say that they can cancel and refund you the membership amount you paid. But once you are there, they change the whole issue and said the above and that they tell you the option to convert it to an ownership instead of now as membership and pay an amount of close to S$10k being the calculation of it current market value of such ownership worth (S$28k) after deducting the value from your membership worth and oriental give further discount to you since you are their current customer. All these is another setup show by them to trick you to sign up with them and pay another sum of money.

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Author:
Regina Ong
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Date Posted: Fri, May 26 2006, 17:43:05

Hi,

I'm one of those unfortunate persons that paid almost $13k for the OT/Gold Crown membership (perpetual membership) in Dec 2003. Recently, Oriental Travel (Customer service dept) called up my husband and said that they would like to meet up with us for an update. Note, they will keep emphasising that they are from customer service and not the sales team. Upon meeting them, we were told that they will be terminating their relationship with Gold Crown soon and they will no longer be their agent. And in order to "protect" our consumer needs they have now have a "holiday ownership" under the Viva Le Concierge Club and what we need to do is to upgrade our membership to this by paying a couple of thousand of dollars more (in exact $7,000) only and we will have 4 holiday weeks that we can either use it ourseleves or rent it out at $1000/week. On top of that, they will also guarantee a resale value of the membership at the end of a 3 year term. On top of that, they will be giving us a 7D6N cruise to Bahamas. In addition, we will also be assured on the loyalty Reward Bonus promised.

We of course having gone through one such hard sell and this time we will not give in. Now it appears that we are "threatened" that if we do not switch to this new Viva club, we may incur perpetual lifetime annual and registration fees of US$1,069 per annum if we do not switch. On top of that, we will lose the Loyalty Reward Bonus (the one that we have to send it an annual confirmation).

Has anyone been approached by them for this Viva Club? And anyone has any idea whether we can seek any form of recourse on them? Anyone has managed to get the 5 years loyalty bonus of $2,500 from them?

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Author:
Freddy
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 09 2006, 0:00:06

Hi,

I've been sold the same story & went down to see them since they wanted to update me on GCR developements. I've been away the last 2 years & have not used GCR. But, yes my experience is the deal is not as offered during Orinetal hard sell.

Anyway, they told me the same thing about their termination of ties to GCR & which means we have to pay the admin & reg fees to GCR ourselves (a load of rubbish). To help us they offer Viva yada..yada...to me for $9,800 from $38,800 (siao!)...
I was not feeling too well & wanted to leave but they sure put on an act...all but hard sell & scam more money from me. Prior to this episode, I had tot OT to be honest & reputable ...but after this ...sheeze...

Now is the time for us victim to hit back...anyone know of any legal means?

Regina, as for the LRB...I think we have been misled ...don't think we'll gonna see our $2,500.

Do you think a police report to CPIB is of any essence? Maybe I can check with a police friend.

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Author:
smita
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Date Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2006, 22:35:20

Hi,

A lady called Luri or something called me up and told me that she was calling from Oriental Travel Singapore at Shaw Towers. She was also telling me something like my husband and I had gotten this VIP something as it was their Grand 5th or 6th anniversary. She told me that they were having a presentation by their company regarding their packages or something on wednesday. Even my sister said that she had received this call the same day that I did. She told me that it was strictly for married couples and tht couples should both come together. Cannot bring children. They would give us either a free package from them for an 8 day trip or $1000 flight voucher. Both my husband and I thought it was too good to be true. So I decided to check it out and came across this website. I'm grateful that this website is here as our decision is confirmed. Please let me know if this is also the so called time sharing company. Thank you very much.

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Author:
comet
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2006, 2:38:59

It was so sad to hear so many unfortuate cases.I was relieved that people voice out such incidents.Presently they are giving a new Perodua Kelissa Car;$1500 Shopping spree;Electrical Goods-camcorder,Home Theater System,DVD Player,Digital Camera;Hotel Accomodations Or Cruise Vacations.Total Value $4000 in the 'Great Shopping Spree
2006'.I was really fooled by it.The tele-Sales staff is really convincing.So,PEOPLE OUT THERE.BECAREFUL.ITS A SCAM.

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