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Subject: 6x25(finale): ...Angels FEEDBACK


Author:
VKMAX
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Date Posted: 18:50:20 12/22/03 Mon


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[> Subject: Wow! What a powerful and emotional ending!


Author:
veggieburger
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Date Posted: 00:14:16 12/23/03 Tue

I don't want to spoil it for anyone else, so I won't go over all the amazing things that just took my breath away! Who says the Angelverse can't have happy endings?! It was so emotionally satisfying to see that all the pain, torment and evil the gang has suffered resolve in a wonderful and completely unexpected way. I actually got all choked up! And BTW, my dear readers, VKMax kept the ending a secret from even us ARV writers, so we would be just as surprised as you! So my jaw really did scrape the floor cause I read it for the first time when it was posted.

Awesome, awesome! Extraordinary, VKMax!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Wow! What a powerful and emotional ending!


Author:
Jayne
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Date Posted: 03:28:55 04/30/04 Fri

I absolutely adore Buffy and Angel and am so sad that they''ve ended. I only wish someone would take your stories and turn them into real follow-on tv episodes. I'll just have to stick with watching repeats over and over and over and over and over! Well done!

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[> Subject: Re: 6x25(finale): ...Angels FEEDBACK


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Shadows
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Date Posted: 08:14:12 12/23/03 Tue

That was so great! It was full of hope and I like how found a way to put everyones lives on track. I feel sorta bad though...i mean series finale always make me kinda sad. Is there anyway you can keep going? Please consider it, although it was an outstanding ending! ^_^.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 6x25(finale): ...Angels FEEDBACK


Author:
VKMax
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Date Posted: 08:21:56 12/23/03 Tue

there is continuations planned. the main one being a Spike/Faith spinoff which will be full seasons, the other being mini-arcs of "where are they now?" episodes

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[> [> Subject: Thanks, Shadows - that's exactly what we hoped for!


Author:
veggieburger
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Date Posted: 12:54:53 12/23/03 Tue

VKMax surprised even us ARV writers with that wonderful ending. The Spike/Faith spinoff for 2004 promises to be a corker! Stay tuned!

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[> [> [> Subject: Holy Crap


Author:
A Fan
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Date Posted: 21:04:25 12/23/03 Tue

That was an outstanding ending! But too bad it *is* the ending.

The way it it ended, is exactly how I'd like the actual show to end. You made my fantasy come true. Thank You!

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[> Subject: Awwwwwwwwww. *sniff* Ye Gods these guys are going to need therapy!


Author:
LB
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Date Posted: 07:31:57 12/28/03 Sun

Where to begin...

Okay, first happy ending which really got me was Lorne's. I was just grinning like a cheshire cat when I saw how things turned out for him. He deserves every scrap of happiness he gets after what he's been through this season.

Wonderful to see Darla again. She has a way of turning up at the perfect moment, and her attachment to Connor is lovely to see considering what she used to be like.

Lindsey seems to be heading in the general direction of becoming a fully decent person, so go him. It was somehow fitting that he was the one to get Lilah to fully spill the beans. And the fact that Angel really was prepared to trust him to the extent of risking death was not an insignificant moment.

The final battles were clever. On the outside you had all hell breaking loose with unsired slayer and child vamps rising up in hordes to wreak havoc. If it had been in hollywood I think the battle would have been on a pretty grand scale, complete with copious CGI and tricky choreography.
And yet the real battle was a small one, with no witnesses, between just two unarmed soulled vampires. That was where the real high stakes were up for grabs.

I felt rather sorry for Angel at the start of the fight. The fact that even at that last hour he still tried to find some remnent of his friend in the creature facing him when everyone else could have told him that his Wes was long dead was a touching moment.
And no surprise that he tried to to pass on the chance for life. That is the sign of a champion, to be willing to wholeheartedly give up even your own chance of redemption if it means you can save someone else.
It was a, very welcome, surprise that the PTB actually gave him both rather than just saying: No, you passed, you get life, the other gets dusted.

I guess the benefit of having lived such harsh lives is that Wes and Lilah really do understand the difference a soul makes to a creature. That is something Angel has always had problems understanding, leading to his continual guilt and angst. He blames himself for the crimes of Angelus even though he sees the soulless vampire as a totally different entity. While Wes and Lilah will probably have some pretty bitter memories and some pangs, I don't see themselves falling into this same pattern.

Either way, it's wonderful beyond words that they finally got a happy ending of their own. Without having be evil or trying to end the world on a daily basis. Talk about trial by fire, they can bicker all they want to, at least they both know that the other really would do anything for them if they had to.

And heaven knows what their child will turn out like! Both its parents have been evil, both can scare the bejeusu out of the general populace if they want to, both have incredibly sharp minds, both have far too much knowledge on all that's dark and wrong with the world... It'll either turn out to be one spoilt sugary sweet kid who thinks its parents are saints, or it'll be one scarily smart and sarcastic creature who knows its parents have shadowy pasts and loves it. Either way, wouldn't mind popping by that household again in the future :)

Hmm. Angel. Darla. Connor. Is Aunt Dru floating around there somewhere too? LOL. That's another household I wouldn't mind seeing again. In fact I can see the two children meeting up in the future to complain about the trials having ex-evil parents.

A great ending to a brilliant season. Somehow you managed to coax a happy ending for pretty much everyone without making it seem forced or too sugary. Not a mean feat.

Bravo! Encore!

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[> Subject: A bit late, holiday's and all, thank you!


Author:
toothy
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Date Posted: 19:17:30 12/28/03 Sun

I've been gone for a couple of days and only had time to scan before I left, so I wanted to read this again in detail.

Absolutely fantastic job, VKMax!

When I saw the list of players; I had to take a breath. It's hard to keep that many balls in the air, but like expert juggler, you didn't drop a single one. Excellent ending to a great fic series. It's fitting that you wrote the final without even letting the rest of us in on the conclusion. This has been a group effort to be sure, but there's also no denying that you were the guiding force. You have every right to be proud of what you've accomplished. These stories have heart and soul. They have merit which I'm quite certain will endure.

This has been a completely satisfying experience

Thank You
toothy

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[> Subject: Re: 6x25(finale): ...Angels FEEDBACK


Author:
MTsFan
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Date Posted: 08:40:16 12/30/03 Tue

Since I haven't tried to keep up with ARV, I went back to Rock, Paper, Scissors to catch up. I needed to pick up on Lilah and Gunn's reversals, setup for the battle, just how evil Wesley is and the sich with Giles and the Slayers. Much other stuff, I'm just guessing at, like Kayla's introduction. I'm still not with the concept of unsired vampires, so didn't understand that stuff in the hospital.

Both parts of the finale do your usual good job of telling the story (with one note below.) The way the evil ones cripple Angel's supporters has good foundation, reasons and exciting battles.

Some of the other things I like are the humorous lines throughout, especially from Willow and Fred. I also like Fred's bravery. She's been even better at that than Cordy in recent seasons and in this series. Kayla turns out to be a great character with smapping Angel to tell what the plan is. Darla's return and care for Connor are consistent with the way she left AtS.

At the very end, Angel goes for what's been bothering his soul for so long - all the damage he did and that his offspring did. It was great to have him choose putting those right over reward for himself. It also works for my polly self that he gets the reward, too, and it leads to a sweet family life for him and Connor. It's great and un-mindwipe-like that they can still be in the
vamp/demon slaying business after that.

The one thing I missed may be just me missing it. How did letting Wesley win the fight persuade the PTB/oracles the Angel was the winner? Perhaps another line on Lindsey's note or the Oracles
instead of
" ... Angel"
could say
" ... the one who {explanation goes here} ... Angel"

Also why did they stop the fight at that point? Perhaps both questions could be answered by a line or three of the oracles' reasoning.

From what I have read of the series, you all have accomplished something here. Readers from both boards rightly acknowledge that and it should continue.

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[> Subject: Re: 6x25(finale): ...Angels FEEDBACK


Author:
Esmerelda
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Date Posted: 16:48:25 01/02/04 Fri

Just wanted to say how great i thought that ending was, ME will have hard job to top it one day. :)

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