I wonder if John will return to England in the next Book. If he stays and becomes an American will he be more or less under the microscope? John as romantic hero is something I've been thinking about. He certainly is to my mind but in the usual pattern of the genre he and Percy didn't go through the usual sort of courtship or even the passionate-abduction or forced-marriage/love-ya-later format. Maybe in later years he'll settle into house-keeping with a "secretary". I find it interesting that Tom Byrd doesn't remark about Mr Percy being about so much. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 08:45:51 10/23/07 Tue
Author: kgp
Subject: I wonder if John will return to England in the next Book. If he stays and becomes an American will he be more or less under the microscope? John as romantic hero is something I've been thinking about. He certainly is to my mind but in the usual pattern of the genre he and Percy didn't go through the usual sort of courtship or even the passionate-abduction or forced-marriage/love-ya-later format. Maybe in later years he'll settle into house-keeping with a "secretary". I find it interesting that Tom Byrd doesn't remark about Mr Percy being about so much.
In reply to: Oleander 's message, "Oh, Pamela, "the blade of intimacy", so well put. I am thinking ahead, when reading this, to DOA, when John tells Claire he visisted Jaime to see if he could still feel. Episodes such as this really make me wonder if John will ever find his happiness. His understanding of his duty, to his family and his men- will it always have to supercede his happiness? He will never be able to claim a lover freely, and for the sake of honour, he could not forsake his duty or family for himself alone. Does that make any sense?" on 08:18:58 10/23/07 Tue

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Why would Percy's presence be remarkable? He's a member of the family, as well as Lord John's friend. (NT) -- MsNaugha, 11:19:56 10/23/07 Tue
- I find it interesting that Tom hasn't caught on myself. Not because Percy is around so much, but rather because the details of Tom's job entail a certain amount of intimacy with John. (NT) -- Oleander, 12:09:52 10/23/07 Tue
  - What makes you think Tom doesn't know? A few years ago the "public" had no idea that Rock Hudson, Raymond Burr, George Nader (to name a few) were gay, but I bet their closest and well-trusted friends and employees knew. (NT) -- MelvaT, 12:34:15 10/23/07 Tue
    - Well, I guess I was thinking about the common beliefs surrounding "sodomy" and the like, and the circumstances under which Tom and John were aquainted (wasn't Tom's brohter accused of Sodomy or something?) Could Tom know? Sure, I think so. But I do think it is a whole different kettle of fish than gentlemen and their closest friends in this century knowing. (NT) -- Oleander, 14:58:58 10/23/07 Tue
      - Exactly, a whole different trout. But either way, Tom seems to me to be not only intelligent, but a compassionate man. He respects LJG and he respects his own position. Outing John would gain nothing for him personally other than the loss of a very good job. (NT) -- MelvaT, 15:26:13 10/23/07 Tue
  - There's a bit in Private Matter, where Lord John reflects that "he shuddered to think what Tom Byrd knew of his own intimacies." No matter what Tom knew, though, he almost certainly wouldn't say anything. It's a big deal, trespassing on custom and manners, when he says in BOTB "I'm that sorry, me lord," about John's father's having (presumably) committed suicide while insane. (NT) -- maddiej, 13:48:37 10/23/07 Tue
    - I think he was referring more to his personal habits at home, dunking his biscuits in his tea or how snug he had his small clothes tailored, that sort of thing. Tom had no idea Jack was homosexual. (NT) -- kgp, 15:03:08 10/23/07 Tue
      - I'm not sure Tom realized there was such a thing, until the man on the bridge grabbed him by the balls and put his [ahem] into Tom's hand. He'd probably heard of sodomites, I mean, but he wasn't looking for Jack; he was just following Lord John, and only after realizing what kind of neighborhood they were in, and knowing what kind of investigation Lord John was engaged in, did he think to ask whether Lord John was looking for Jack there. (NT) -- maddiej, 16:56:16 10/23/07 Tue
        Tom had me in stitches! the way he followed John to Lavendar House to be sure the inhabitants knew that someone knew where john was and if anything happened they would answer for it! (NT) -- kgp, 18:40:20 10/23/07 Tue

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