I have to say, I see John's love for Jaime as a combination of unrequited love and infatuation. What I mean is, it is so much easier to love some one from afar when you aren't *really* their lover. You can fixate on the tiny details, love all the little insignificant pieces of them, but still never *know* them the way a spouse or lover will. Unrequited love and infatuation can become so much bigger than yourself in a situation like this. Because there is no return or hope of return of affection, Johns feelings are like that dragon fly in amber, frozen in time with no forward motion or growth. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 12:37:02 10/18/07 Thu
Author: Oleander
Subject: I have to say, I see John's love for Jaime as a combination of unrequited love and infatuation. What I mean is, it is so much easier to love some one from afar when you aren't *really* their lover. You can fixate on the tiny details, love all the little insignificant pieces of them, but still never *know* them the way a spouse or lover will. Unrequited love and infatuation can become so much bigger than yourself in a situation like this. Because there is no return or hope of return of affection, Johns feelings are like that dragon fly in amber, frozen in time with no forward motion or growth.
In reply to: kgp 's message, ""he continues to fixate on Jamie's specific physical presence " Don't we all???? I wonder of part of it for John at least is the mystery of Jamie. Who is this man, really? What is it about him beyond just physical presence" on 11:52:30 10/18/07 Thu

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Oleander - this is what I've been saying for years - that John can and will NEVER know Jamie the way Claire does. It is impossible. (NT) -- GwenM, 15:27:03 10/18/07 Thu
- The same for Black Jack Randall - when he confronted Claire in the churchyard with how she could never give Jamie what he did. That's bull and he was blowing hot air. BJR could never know Jamie the way Claire did/does. (NT) -- GwenM, 15:31:14 10/18/07 Thu
  - I don't see Jack Randall's unstable, criminal obsession as a parallel here, or as unrequited love. (NT) -- pamelalass, 17:33:56 10/18/07 Thu
- Of course it is impossible; they'll never be lovers, spouses, soul mates, or any of the other things that Jamie is for Claire. John and Claire know Jamie in completely different ways, as they each acknowledge. But why shouldn't John, the hero of his own story, have his own "Claire", even if his "Claire" would need to be a man like Jamie? (NT) -- pamelalass, 16:37:20 10/18/07 Thu
  - I hear you! I think that John should have his own Claire. Will he find someone who will help him move past Jaime? I certainly hope so. (NT) -- Oleander, 07:13:43 10/19/07 Fri
Oleander, this is beautiful, especially your bittersweet characterization of unrequited love! (NT) -- pamelalass, 17:30:30 10/18/07 Thu
- Awww, thanks Pamela ! *blushes* (NT) -- Oleander, 09:47:54 10/19/07 Fri
Plus---John also seems to be still mourning Hector - who we know he did love and although he is ready to move on, even the physical aspect he isn't as ready to share some things that he freely shared with Hector...although the rape happened after, still, he seems to be like a widower and Jamie is *safe* since there is no real chance of it happening. ye ken? (NT) -- Ciara, 22:18:12 10/20/07 Sat

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