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Date Posted: 17:59:24 09/10/07 Mon
Author: pamelalass
Subject: Wow, I'm sorry I was off-line all day today too! I know I'm one of the people who was pondering the more "hostile" Jamie of this new book, and I am thrilled to hear everyone's thoughts. My thoughts, after further reflection, inside >>>>
In reply to: teddie 's message, "Great discussion...and I am sorry that I am coming in late. Simply put, Jamie sounds more hostile because he is more hostile. We are reading the events of a timeframe not previously put to paper for us. In Voyager, James is quite ready to truly wring John's neck, as he first leaves Jamie at Helwater. Next, we see James being bedeviled by Geneva as he is shoveling manure...(and uttering one of my favorite lines, "I am spreading shit, my lady"). Clearly, much has happened in between. Now, we get to read about it! What a treat! I do not believe the point of view is much of an issue here." on 15:20:47 09/10/07 Mon

While I was disappointed, on a gut level, that Jamie was so hostile and they weren't going to be friends in this book, as a critical reader I can see that it makes sense that at this stage, which is still quite early in his time at Helwater, there's no way Jamie would feel anything but hostility towards John. And it could even be intensified by some of his anger/guilt (misplaced/transferred) over Geneva's death. Even without their history, he'd want NOTHING to do with this lord who's got complete control over him, and then the guy keeps coming around and bringing up old baggage (the Jacobite intrigues), reminding him of Ardsmuir (the men he no longer has the care of), evoking their earlier intimacy over the chessboard (something that ended in a complete fiasco, angering and dismaying him), and just generally making a nuisance of himself. Plus, since they never actually talked about the pass John made at Ardsmuir, this is the first time we are hearing Jamie's take on homosexuality (at least his perspective on it at this stage in his life) and I'd grown accumstomed to what I took to be his more tolerant attitude in the other books, which are, of course, showing him much later in life, when he's grown to know and love John as a friend.

Now that I think about it, it's a wonder Jamie doesn't just stab him with the mucking-out pitchfork on one of John's unnanounced I'll-just-go-out-to-the-stables-for-that-thing-I-left-in-the-carriage visits. But I just harbored such a strong desire to see them again as friends, and it feels like it'll be so looooong before we get THE SCOTTISH PRISONER! (Whining, I know, this is actual whining. Sorry.) *BG*

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