Well, I doubt she ever actually wanted to shoot John...she did however refuse to follow him to his posting as Governor of Jamaica so I doubt all was sunshine and happiness in their marriage. Even as innocent as she might have been she must have sensed he was not exactly completely devoted to her. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 06:40:04 09/27/07 Thu
Author: Jane
Subject: Well, I doubt she ever actually wanted to shoot John...she did however refuse to follow him to his posting as Governor of Jamaica so I doubt all was sunshine and happiness in their marriage. Even as innocent as she might have been she must have sensed he was not exactly completely devoted to her.
In reply to: MelvaT 's message, "QOTD Thursday Sept. 27, 2007" on 22:43:23 09/26/07 Wed

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But remember, John says he made Isobel an adequate husband. (NT) -- GwenM, 13:20:13 09/29/07 Sat
- Key word "adequate'. Would that be enough for you? I certainly wouldn't be satisfied. (NT) -- Jane, 13:44:06 09/29/07 Sat
  - No, Jane - I was saying that JOHN thought he was an adequate husband. "ADEQUATE" would NOT be enough for ME. Isobel was "cheated", in my opinion. Any takers on this opinion??? (NT) -- GwenM, 14:21:33 09/29/07 Sat
- I always thought John's acknowledgement that he was "adequate" as a husband revealed that he knew he was not a good husband for any woman, and had regret for never being able to be more than "adequate." At a time when wives could be treated as property by their husbands, and romantic love was not necessarily a requirement for marriage among the gentry, one could argue that he was indeed adequate (he was kind, he respects women, he did not prevent her from acting independently when she chose not to go to Jamaica), but certainly nothing more, and certainly by marrying him Isobel gave up her chance for a marriage of true lovers and equal partners. And I think he knows/knew that, which is why he would never make a self-serving claim to have been a "good" husband. (NT) -- pamelalass, 15:29:20 09/29/07 Sat
  - Open to interpretation, of course--but given the speech patterns of the time, I *think* that by "adequate husband," John merely means that he's sure he can perform sexually with her (and thus give her children), and isn't really saying anything about the emotional nature of their relationship. (NT) -- maddiej, 03:47:17 09/30/07 Sun
    - Good point. It's clear he didn't mean being "adequate" was anything more than what would have been minimally required. I don't see him trying to suggest Isobel was lucky to have him in any way - - perhaps I just want to believe that he knew Isobel was getting kind of a raw deal, and did have some regret for this. (NT) -- pamelalass, 06:56:06 09/30/07 Sun
      - Well, as I have said in the past I am sure Isobel got a much better deal than her sister did. John was kind and honorable, he truly cared for her, plus he was handsome, witty and intelligent, and the son of a Duke. Quite a catch! Women of the day didn't expect to like sex, she no doubt was relieved he didn't ask a lot of her. (NT) -- Jane, 07:42:39 09/30/07 Sun
      - I believe he means adequate in all way...emotionally and physically. He seems to say it in a regretful manner, and LJG is known to talk "undercurrent". I agree totally with Pamelalass on this analysis. (NT) -- Conmama, 05:45:43 10/01/07 Mon

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