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Date Posted: 08:06:50 01/08/07 Mon
Author: ben
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Subject: Re: SUV's SUCK!!!
In reply to: keslux 's message, "SUV's SUCK!!!" on 20:29:26 01/01/07 Mon

It's too bad the big 3 American auto mfg's didn't heed the philosophy of Edward Deming


I've read his bio and just after WWII he went to japan to teach his management skills to the coporations such as Toyota, and that mind set allows line works to make suggestions unlike here in the USA where line workers are thought of as idiots by management.

As far as the UAW they too have to share the blame IMHO because they are resistant to change of more efficent mfg techniques.

The only solution to break the cycle of crap products, will happen when management starts designing better engineered items and is willing to listen to suggestions of people who build said products, and when unions understand that in order for a business to continue they will have to sacrifice the old status quo where they demand workers build products in place of technology which often times might be more efficent.

What's the old saying, its darn hard to teach old dogs new tricks! One way or another if both sides of the big 3 don't evolve they are going to die.

>You are right on! I live in Detroit and have to put
>up with countless SUV-driving road hogs on my daily
>commute. To make matters worse, I drive a VW Jetta.
>It seems that many SUV drivers are so bent on having a
>big American car that they feel the need to pass me
>even though I have been on cruise control and passed
>them. In Detroit many people just do not like foreign
>cars. I once overheard someone say, "I just wish I
>had a reason to ram into that foreign plastic car".
>Here's the deal... the big 3 needs to realize that
>they will not be successful until they ditch the UAW
>and join the rest of the automotive world. Sorry...
>but it's the truth. Toyota and other companies are
>taking over and GM and Ford need to realize that they
>are on the downward slope until they can create cars
>that are safe, fuel efficient, and reliable. Let's
>face it, American cars are crap. I worked at Mercedes
>US as a consultant and quickly learned that the
>Mercedes people hated the Daimler-Chrysler ownership
>because of quality problems. America NEEDS to take
>notice of the Asian and European automotive
>manufacturers. I live in Detroit and my city is AT
>ITS KNEES because of the downfall of American auto
>companies. Poor corporate leadership, reliance on SUV
>sales, poor design/quality, and most importantly ->
>UNION COSTS have affected American autos and have
>killed Michigan cities. Look at Flint, Michigan...
>It used to be prosperous, now you should not go there
>without a bullet-proof vest. Ford just introduced
>their new crossover "Edge". Jeeeeez... Why didn't
>they introduce a hybrid or fuel efficient car? Honda
>hybrids have been selling above sticker price for
>almost 2 years. They had the right idea with the
>Fusion, the 500 is a stretch... Here is what Ford
>needs to do... 1: Sever all UAW ties. I know that's
>tough, but guess what, they're almost bankrupt and UAW
>is the cause. 2: Focus on quality mid-size and
>compact cars as well as F series pickups. Scrap
>everything else. The Explorer was the cash cow for
>years, but look at the books... those times are gone.
> I just want Detroit to not wither away like Flint
>did... from what I see... it may be too late.
>OK. I'm done ranting.

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