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Subject: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 22:10:01 08/20/07 Mon Call me crazy but, to me, this man is absolutly beautiful! my favorite part of him, besides his hands, are his eyes. I've never seent them in color but, I'm pretty sure they're brown but any color they're breathtaking. So his eyes and his hands are my weakness, lemme know what your favorite is. And why! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:37:48 08/20/07 Mon Oh yes, his eyes, definitely! So beautifully expressive. And of course you've seen them in color, Elizabeth: "Treasure Island," "Long John Silver," "The Beachcomber" ... and have you seen "Around the World in 80 Days"? Yes, they are definitely a dark, soulful brown. He had lovely hands as well (I love the way he moved them too), and have you noticed the dimples in his cheeks? Not to mention his wonderful voice! BTW, speaking of mannerisms, have any of you noticed his repeated use of what I've started calling the "Newton Maneuver"? I suppose it's not all that uncommon (I've noticed Emlyn Williams doing the same thing in JI, for example), but Bob seems to do it so often, I've started noticing ... He'll be talking to someone he has a rapport with (e.g., Purity, or Maureen O'Hara in the cave, et al.) and kind of whacks them gently in the upper arm with the back of his hand in a friently sort of "Hey, I have an idea!" gesture. If you watch closely, you'll see he does that over and over! It gives me a sense of the warm, charming person so many of his costars and friends describe him as. In fact, just for fun, maybe we could start a list ... how many scenes can you name where he does that characteristic arm whack? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:56 08/21/07 Tue Oh the dimples!!! I've noticed them all my life, I've just never said anything about it. Ok, so I have 3 weakneses, more to love. =~) Ok, yeah, I've seen him in color, I forgot about that! I've seen so many of his in B&W. Yea, his voice is all soft and sweet. I've noticed him doing that too, alot of times. That just seems like what he would do, weather it was in the script or not. I'm happy he did, so now, we can see how sweet and kind he was. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:44:42 08/21/07 Tue I know that Susan knows that I 'LOVE' the dimples. I've told her enough times. Anyway, if he had been around me (ha..like that ever would have happened..oh well, I can dream, right?) he would have had black and blue cheeks because I'd be 'pinching' them all the time!! And then, of course, the eyes...never forget the eyes. Actually, there wasn't anything about his whole face that I didn't like. His voice was very distinctive and could be very soft and soothing. I think that's why I like 'Obsession' so much. Even though the character was evil, he spoke so calmly and softly throughout the whole movie that, I think the first time I watched it, I sat like I was in a trance just looking and listening. As for the nudge with the back of the hand, I will have to do a Sunday afternoon matinee of his movies and take a look. Of course, the most obvious one was in JI and what made it so endearing was that he did it to a woman..like he was nudging a buddy or a crew member. Other than JI,I think he probably did it most as LJS, but I'll be looking. So choices in order: Dimples, eyes (or even whole face), voice I'll be back about the arm whack! Oh, and while we are collecting mannerisms what about the way that he can grab someone (actually a man, thank goodness!)by a tie or scarf around the neck and pull them toward him to 'get a point accross'. But watch when he does that because as he grabs he always 'twists' the collar, tie or scarf and rams his hand into the person's throat and gives him a shove, while he is spouting whatever he has to say. A good one to watch is when he grabs Shell in 'Odd Man Out'. It's a wonder the poor man didn't strangle. I know it was a movie and I'm sure that RN didn't really do it has hard as it looked but he was really good at that move because it looked real. But he does it in quite a few of his movies. Take notice. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:07:30 08/21/07 Tue yea, I know that too. That's just a grab at the shirt, just think of how his hugs would be! He was a big man too though, not really obese, but like broad shoulders, tall, like that. and another thing I've noticed is like in S3 him and Cyril Cusack always tug at each other's hair! Like in the river when Malloy saved Sykes he tugged at his hair and when they were drunk in the tent he does it again, ever seen that? Another thing I love is his smile, he had such a pretty smile, i don't know why he didn't smile more often. So i guess all of mine would be, not in any order, eyes, hands, DIMPLES, smile, voice, and last but not least, his nose. yes, his nose, i love it! I have no idea why, it's just cute i guess, i don't know. But the Brit accent is just sooo seductive, i'm trying as hard as i can to stay away from the sexual stuff, but we're all women (i hope) just think of how he would sound if he was in a sexy mood. just a thought... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:11:52 08/22/07 Wed Oh no, don't get me started on the Bob 'n' Cyril dynamic! Did you really notice that hair-pulling contest on your own? I swear I must have mentioned it somewhere before. They are so cute together in that movie, aren't they? I especially like the part where they're fighting over the deck of cards too. (Heck, I love Cyril Cusack; he's adorable. His hair does look ever so fun to play with in that movie. How could *anyone* resist!) Hmm, I'll have to pay attention to him twisting Shel's collar; I'm normally more attentive when it's a woman he's roughing up (apart from his four-part wrestling match with the lovely Emlyn Williams, in which they take turns roughing each other up). I must be kinky, but I want to be Deborah Kerr when he's pulling her hair in "Major Barbara"! (He's so handsome in that movie too.) And then there's "Kiss the Blood Off My Hands" when he's about to attack Joan Fontaine. And lucky Kay Walsh in "Oliver Twist" when she's battling him trying to get out the door at Fagin's place ... but it wouldn't be so much fun doing multiple retakes, I imagine, when your husband's the director! See, I told you not to get me started! I'm supposed to be all sedate and webmasterly. (Sorry for the lapse, I'm really tired and high on painkillers. You caught me at a weak moment!) And, yes, there used to be menfolk around these parts, Elizabeth (in fact, it seems like there used to be more men posting than women) ... so we don't want to go too fangirly here and scare them all away now! Not that any guys have posted in a long time. Hey, where'd you all go? Is it the password thing? Anyway, do let us know how many arm-whacks you spot. He definitely does it to Connie Gilchrist a few times too. It's hard to imagine the script would be that specific, and he's too consistent about it from film to film, which makes me pretty certain that's *his* mannerism and not part of the script. (But like I said, not totally unique since I distinctly saw Emlyn do the exact same thing at least once in JI. I think it's just before he and the rest of the gang go running down the cliff looking for Bob and Maureen. Not to be confused with his not-so-friendly whack across Bob's face later on [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:39:56 08/22/07 Wed Yes, Susan you did mention the hair tugging previously. I believe it was back quite a time ago though. And I noticed it in the movie but only in the tent scene. I never really noticed it in the water until you mentioned it and I went back a took a look. But I thought the water scene was more of a knuckle rub across the top of Cyril's head! Because when you think of it, that wasn't even a 'fair' hair tugging contest because Cyril's hair was much shorter than Bob's. I imagine Bob had to really grab down to get a hunk of Cyril's hair (that's why I thought he knuckled him on the head..I'll have to look again). Actually, Bob pulling Cyril's hair could have hurt worse than Cyril pulling Bob's longer hair because it was closer to the scalp. Oh well, I guess we'll never know, huh? (sigh...)Silly, aren't we? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:54:46 08/22/07 Wed I don't know, I haven't read all of the chatboard yet. I don't remember seeing anything about the hair tugging, sorry if you already posted it, I guess I just brought the topic back! oh yes Susan, I wouldn't have minded at all if he pulled my hair! I don't have much hair to pull but that's beside the point. HOLD ON! WAIT, Emlyn SLAPPED ROBERT ACROSS THE FACE!!!!????? when!!!?????? I don't remember him hitting Robert, I remember the officer hitting Emlyn (which is so funny because he just acts like nothing happened!) Please tell me when and where he hit Robert. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:09:28 08/23/07 Thu Whaddya mean silly? Us? I got the feeling Bob and Cyril were feeling a bit silly behind the scenes there when they started playing with each other's hair. I don't know which scene was filmed first, but it seemed like they were having a private little practical joke to me--like one was getting even with the other. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Bob actually pulls on Cyril's hair (short as it is, but those curls still look so fun to play with, don't they?) when he's hanging onto Cyril in the water. Hey, maybe *he's* to blame for it thinning so much by the 1960s! lol If you really watch for these little details (which tends to happen after you've seen the movie, say, 50 or 60 times), I believe it goes on for quite a while, with Bob actually trying to slap Cyril's hand away (in the tent scene), saying something about the flies in there ... My guess would be it was Bob getting even with Cyril in the river scene, which, considering he had to hang onto him like that, was the perfect opportunity. (If only Cyril had published his autobiography, we might know more about what was going on there. He was actually working on one when he died. There's also supposed to be a filmed biography of him that was aired on TV once, but I have no idea how to get my hands on that.) Elizabeth, don't worry that I already posted it before you mentioned it. If you didn't read my comment about it, then I'm happy to know someone *else* noticed it besides me! Yes, Emlyn slaps Bob across the face in the scene where he's tying him to the chair ("Playin' for time, are you? You'd like to see us miss that wreck tonight wouldn't you; well we wouldn't miss it for world, see?" was the line Emlyn says just afterwards and then tightens Bob's cravatt). Um, yeah, I do believe I've actually seen JI even *more* times than S3! (Those are my two insomnia movies!) And, yeah, I didn't think of that before, but Emlyn getting a nice whack across the face is kind of payback for his hitting Bob, but, of course, he doesn't take it that way. He just smirks and carries on whistling ... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:46:06 08/23/07 Thu I don't think that boy ever stops whistling through the entire movie! i gotta go to school, I'll write more when I get home. get this though, I tried to get on here on my school computer and we have a scaner on ours and it blocked this site and it said "sexual contet is filtered" i yelled out "WHAT!?" i mean, come on, I kow he might fog up the screen but good Lord! so anyways, i'll have to wait until i get home. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:16:26 08/23/07 Thu Oh, now it works! I might have typed it in wrong, i don't know. Guess what I found!!!! I was just browsing through some books in the library this morning before school started and I found a paragraph about Robert and the best picture I've ever seen of him in a biography of Walt Disney!!!! I was THRILLED! I can't check it out until Monday but when I do I'll post what it says. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:18:07 08/23/07 Thu Sexual content?? Huh? Was that the hair-pulling thing or what? (Or cuz I said the word "k*nky"?) Weird. Then again, it could have been one of those ads up top or something; they change regularly, so that'd explain why it wouldn't let you in one moment and then let you in the next. Oh, yes, please do post what you find. Thanks! Speaking of that whistle, did you notice Emlyn does almost the exact same thing in "Hatter's Castle"? And another thing ... how could I forget (I'm sorry, but Emlyn Williams really fogs up the screen for me in JI!) ... speaking of curly hair, that's another of my favorite RN features, even though you so rarely get to see it in its natural state. (The only examples I can think of off-hand now are "Odd Man Out" and "Henry V.") It's too bad men practically glued their hair down back then. My sister, the old-movie buff, told me that, in the style of that day, if a man had curly hair, it signified he was gay, kind of like which ear you wear your earring in does today ... that's why Peter Lorre had curly hair in "The Maltese Falcon." Back then, she said, that was a subtle but dead giveaway to audiences about the character. (And I'm told he was more explicitly gay in the book.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:30:13 08/23/07 Thu Yea, Emlyn is cute in JI, he looks like he outgrew his clothes in between fittings but other than that, he's cute. I've never seen Hatter's Castle. Yes, I love his hair, it's soo pretty. I think I like it so much becuase my hair won't hold curls unless I break down and start crying at my curling iron, but it still won't work! I've always wanted curly hair and I've always liked his hair, I used to swoon over it in Treasure Island, I don't know why. I think my favorite of his roles are in Odd Man Out and Baker of Barnbury. To me, in Odd Man Out he seems more human, like I'm an artist and I can relate to his character. Like I'm always begging people to sit there and let me draw them and when something doesn't turn out how I wanted I get really bummed, like he did when they took Johnny away before his painting was finished. That's kinda weird about curly hair back then, it's not his fault he was born with such flawless features! I think people where jus jealous. =~) I still don't know why the computers at my school are so touchy, I have no clue. Actually I don't even know what "k*nky" means, please explain. Don't worry, i'm sure I've heard worse, mostly from my "fellow students" So yeah tell me what it means so I won't be clueless anymore. another thing I noticed is at the very begining of Baker of Barnbury he speaks in his normal Brit accent, but at the end of what he says he, all of a sudden, changed from Brit mode to Long John Silver mode. Listen to it, it''s soo cool how he can go from one to another in a matter of seconds! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:24:06 08/23/07 Thu I'm not entirely sure if his hair was 'curly' or just had a tendency to 'fluf up' a bit. I think that they styled his hair that way in 'Odd Man Out' to make it look wild. And I also think that his hair was styled differently in 'Hatter's Castle' too. I actually liked his hair in that film (with the grey) I think because it was full and he had sideburns. I found it kind of 'sexy' (oophs! maybe I shouldn't use that word). I know that he had too much other makeup on in that film to look completely natural but I did like the hair. But it was probably most natural in 'Baker of Barnbury'. Wasn't he sweet in that film? One of my favorites (but I do wish someone would restore it..it's a bit blurry). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:04:18 08/24/07 Fri Yea, Baker of Barnbury makes me wish Christmas would get here faster! I keep forgetting to say something about another of my favorite features of his. The baby doll eyelashes. Enough said =~) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:43:58 08/25/07 Sat "Yea, Emlyn is cute in JI, he looks like he outgrew his clothes in between fittings but other than that, he's cute." Ha, I know, which is really funny because, I mean, could you imagine him being much smaller than that before they started filming? Watch the scene in the bar where he's telling Joss he wants to go "pay me respects" to Mary and he's facing to the side; I mean, if he got any thinner, you wouldn't be able to see him at all! I've always wondered about the weird costume there--not that it's much stranger-looking to me than Joss's Frankenstein jacket or the other wreckers' garb or even Jem's tin-soldier suit later on in the pic. Seems to me either he's had those same clothes on since he was a kid, lol, or perhaps more realistically, they are "souvenirs" he picked up off of wrecks, rather than shopping for the latest fashions at Marks & Spencer. I think everyone wants different hair to what they have, me included! My hair tends to "fluff up" too, and I hate it! "Kinky" (I put the * in just in case it somehow set off an alarm in your school's computer!) just means you get turned on by weird things. Yes, about his changing accent midsentence in "Baker of Barnbury," I think he's having some fun, knowing that many viewers know and love him as Long John Silver. I think it was an American TV show, and at that time, most Americans may only have known him as LJS. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:30:30 08/25/07 Sat Haha, yeah! Emlyn was a tiny man anyway, wasn't he? Oh, ok, well then I guess I'm sorta kinky too! yeah, I think he did the character change mid-stream on purpose too, I just thought that was the coolest thing ever. How he can do it that fast. I love him anyway, Long John, John Lyndsey, Ted Wilson, all of him! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Off-topic (Emlyn Williams) Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:00:49 08/26/07 Sun "Haha, yeah! Emlyn was a tiny man anyway, wasn't he?" Well, not to stray too far off topic here, but just to set the record straight he wasn't exactly tiny, but very thin in his younger years. According to a biography I read, he gave his official height as 5' 9 1/2" on his passport but had actually lied (cheeky devil!) and added an inch and a half to his height. So next to RN, who was 6 feet tall, well above average, 5'8" looks pretty short. (BTW, while I'm at it, I just have to quote something Emlyn Williams quotes on a recording of readings from Dylan Thomas--keep in mind that Emlyn himself was from Wales: "Perhaps the best way for me to introduce myself ... is by filling out one of those devilish passport questionaires about myself. Name: Dylan Marlais Thomas. ... Description: Snub nose; thick blubber lips; moppy, mouse-brown hair ... Above medium height. Above medium height for Wales? I mean 5 foot 6 and a half." So I guess 5'8" could translate to 5'9 1/2" in Welsh.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:56:52 08/26/07 Sun I thought he was from the UK too, Wales huh? The way he describes himself reminds me of something I read that Charles Laughton said, he said "Me? I've got a face that would stop a sundial!" I like him though, he's cool. My mom doesn't like him so much in JI. But, yeah, let's try to stay on topic. Like I said another thing I love are those baby doll eyelashes. They're so beautiful. I know so many men that have eyelashes like that and I'm so jealous. I mean, women have to work for half an hour a day to get our eyes to look half as good and all the men have to do is wake up! That's not right. That's all I'm saying =~) So, are you on my side about them? I know you are! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:00:27 08/27/07 Mon His lashes were beautiful but I'm sure that he had makeup on for his movies and he certainly had it on in JI. Everybody was heavy on makeup in that movie! So as for spending time working on your eyes, I'm certain that he sat for many hours in a makeup room before filming. And they were especially 'heavy' on the makeup in the old B/W movies. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:21:19 08/27/07 Mon They had on heavy make up in JI? I thought that was how he really looked at that time. I don't think they would have made him wear mascara, do you? Well, nevermind, look at Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow. I know some of his movies he wore it, like Odd Man Out and Oliver Twist. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:10:47 08/27/07 Mon I believe both men and women wore makeup, especially eye makeup, to show up their eyes. I'm sure they still do wear it even in today's color movies. Besides, take a look at RN's complexion in JI. Kind of pasty looking, wasn't it? He didn't have a pasty complexion.It looked kind of like pancake batter, huh? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Make-up Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:42:26 08/28/07 Tue I agree, RN looked very pasty in JI; that's probably why I didn't recognize him the first time I saw it. He was so tan in Treasure Island (once again, make-up), and then kinda dirty/grungy looking in Oliver Twist, the only movies I had seen him in up to that point. Yes, I think pretty much everyone in the movies wears make-up, even if it's not obvious. (A good-make-up artist's job is to make it look natural.) Of course, on the stage it's done (more blatantly) so that you can see the actors' faces from the back of the house since they tend to get washed out by the footligts. But on film, it's probably more for vanity--you know, in those close-ups, every imperfection is going to show ... and be recorded for all time to be watched over and over! (Not to get off topic again, but that reminds me of a funny quote from David Warner about the film "Tom Jones" that I think illustrates the fact that everybody wears make-up in the movies. In a 1966 New York Times interview, he said, '[Director] Tony [Richardson] told me, 'Now Albert Finney's long and brown, he gets all the women and what we want is somebody who doesn't look as though he couldn't get *any*.' Having heard that description, I went over to make-up, they took one look at me and said, 'Just as you are. No make-up.' And I was the only one in the picture like that.'") I suspect that in the older movies as they were still getting used to film, they were still following stage conventions. That's why in the old silents you see guys like Rudolf Valentino with the pasty skin and dark eyeliner! Oh, and BTW, Wales is part of the UK. (That's how Charles gets to be its Prince!) So are Scotland and Northern Ireland. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Make-up Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:36:07 08/28/07 Tue Yes, and Elizabeth, another thing to look at in JI is his 'eyebrows'! Wow, they surely were painted on! His real eyebrows were kind of bushy and those that he had in JI were pencil thin. I think a good photo, probably the way that his eyes 'really' looked, would be the one in the Pirate magazine of 'The Beachcomber'. The one with the straw hat. It gives a good shot of those eyes. It's kind of natural but he may have still had 'some' makeup on. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:11:33 08/28/07 Tue Yeah well, I guess the only time he doesn't have any make up on or anything done to his hair would be the picture in the Pirates mag. when Kim is in the fire place. It looks like it's either ealry in the morning or late at night. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:53:57 08/31/07 Fri Wow, Sue [whack ;-)], you sure have a good eye for these things--you're so right. That's another thing that bothers me in JI is the eyebrows!!! Those *#&$ make-up people just prettied him up too much; he doesn't look like the Robert Newton I fell in love with at all! (I think that's why, um, that unshaven Welsh fellow keeps snatching my attention away.) In fact, add the bushy eyebrows to my list of favorite features. And Elizabeth [whack], if you want to see Bobby with no make-up, check out the last photo on the "candids" page: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mooncove.com/newton/candids.htm.">http://www.mooncove.com/newton/candids.htm.</a> Also, I don't think he has much if any make-up on in the "High and the Mighty" photo on the "portraits" page: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mooncove.com/newton/portraits.htm;">http://www.mooncove.com/newton/portraits.htm;</a> I'm not sure about the others. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:18:38 08/31/07 Fri Oh, and for checking out eyebrows, how about Charles Laughton in JI? My goodness, I think they would have been better if they penciled in his eyebrows rather than the way they looked!! It looks like they may have shaved them first and then stuck two bushy things over his eyes. It gave him a hideous look! I wonder who the makeup artist was in that movie? They seemed like they were painting 'clowns' rather than 'actors'. Emlyn Williams was probably 'normal' looking compared to the rest of them. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:55:34 09/03/07 Mon Oh, those eyes. You're right, Sue. Who's lame-brained idea was it to mess with eyes/eyebrows that were already devastatingly beautiful? (Though I did like his hair in the first part of the movie - it was a bit wild and unkempt...but I don't want to go off on another tangent.) And that voice! He could play it like a violin. And those graceful hands. (oops, I'm going off on a tangent again...) So, there you have my top favorites: eyes, voice, hands. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:30:32 09/01/07 Sat Oh my gosh, I know! Probably one of the main reasons I can't stand Charles Laughton in that film--his make-up is so hideous, I can hardly bear to look at him. His eyebrows are way too high for one thing, and they remind me of two caterpillars! And it looks like he's wearing false teeth too, which make him talk funny. That "Fifty Worst Films of All Time" book refers to him as looking like "Sir Humphrey Dumpty"! I don't understand what the purpose of making someone who already "had a complex about his appearance," to quote his friend Emlyn, look so ugly? And as producer, he had the ultimate decision-making power! (It was the first movie I ever saw him in, and I was surprised to find out later in "Vessel of Wrath" that he really wasn't so bad looking.) Ern Westmore is credited as the make-up artist. He worked on a number of films between 1925 and 1951 but no others that I recognize. Oh wait, there is one title I know: "The Moon and Sixpence"--only because Cyril Cusack was in the stage version. Here's his filmography: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0922865/">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0922865/</a> [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:55:17 09/01/07 Sat MY MOM CALLS HIM HUMPHREY DUMPTY!!!!! I LAUGHED OUT LOUD WHEN I READ THAT!!! And really, he was an ugly man at all, they just made him that way. I don't know why. I mean, he's not like drop dead gorgeous (like Jem) but he wasn't ugly, UGLY. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:40:57 09/02/07 Sun I hate typos! I meant to say "And really he wasn't an ugly man at all." oops [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:52:55 09/04/07 Tue Jenny, "Oh, those eyes. You're right, Sue. Who's lame-brained idea was it to mess with eyes/eyebrows that were already devastatingly beautiful? (Though I did like his hair in the first part of the movie - it was a bit wild and unkempt...but I don't want to go off on another tangent.) And that voice! He could play it like a violin. And those graceful hands. (oops, I'm going off on a tangent again...) So, there you have my top favorites: eyes, voice, hands." Oh, no, you're not going off on a tangent at all! Thanks for bringing us back on topic again. :-) (Yes, the wild unkempt hair ... and, Erin's favorite, the ripped shirt are my favorite features in the first part of JI. He reaches his peak of unkemptness when they go to Squire Pengallan's house and he shows him his "ID." But alas, they tidy him up too much for the rest of the film.) Oh, that reminds me of one more favorite feature ... I love his slender legs. You can see them really well in the scene where he's unconscious and I think Thomas and Salvation are carrying him over to Harry, who's holding the rope in the background. I love it when the one guy drops one of his legs and he doesn't even flinch; that was some great unconscious acting there! ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:03:59 09/05/07 Wed Susan, ("Oh, no, you're not going off on a tangent at all! Thanks for bringing us back on topic again.") Thanks! :-) ("Yes, the wild unkempt hair ... and, Erin's favorite, the ripped shirt are my favorite features in the first part of JI.") The first time I saw this movie I didn't even recognize RN. I had only seen him as LJS, so it absolutely blew my mind when I saw him so young and handsome - not that Silver isn't cute, too! ("... But alas, they tidy him up too much for the rest of the film.") You are so right about that! He carried the unkempt, rugged look so well. ("...Thomas and Salvation are carrying him over to Harry, who's holding the rope in the background. I love it when the one guy drops one of his legs and he doesn't even flinch; that was some great unconscious acting there!") Yes! That was a clever bit of unconscious acting! It's more difficult than people may think and requires control and trust of one's fellow actors. That control he had over his whole body in all of his performances is another of my favorite things about his acting. Here's a question for you: when Mary cuts Jem down and he falls to the floor, did RN do that or was it a stunt person? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:14:37 09/08/07 Sat "The first time I saw this movie I didn't even recognize RN. I had only seen him as LJS, so it absolutely blew my mind when I saw him so young and handsome - not that Silver isn't cute, too!" Whew, I'm so glad to know I wasn't the only one who didn't recognize him! (Not to mention his accent and vocal intonation are totally different to the way I'd heard him in any of his movies up to that point, namely TI, Oliver Twist, Major Barbara, and Hatter's Castle! I was too used to seeing him as a ruffian!) Hmm, I don't know for sure, but (watching it again--I don't need much of an excuse) my educated guess would be that, considering the view you see of Jem falling when she cuts him down is from the back of his head and then the camera cuts back to Mary and when you next see RN's face, he's lying on the floor, that was probably a stunt double. Yeah, I'm sure the unconscious thing must have been difficult, requiring even more trust because he's got his eyes closed. (BTW, I just noticed that he had another good opportunity to flinch--and you can't really tell if he did because his face is turned away--when Thomas kind of drops his arm. I think by that point, if it were me, I'd be asking to start over! Of course, they probably rehearsed it enough times that Bob already knew they weren't going to drop him. And at least if they did, he didn't have very far to fall. In a theatre class I took, we did a scene where a couple of us were supposed to be not just unconscious but dead. The guy who was half-carrying me--we weren't going for perfect realism, so I was helping out a little--actually seemed surprised that I did trust him as much as I did. I figured what's the worst that could happen? a little rug burn on my face for the sake of an A? It would be worth it! Fortunately, it all went smoothly.) BTW, that scene reminds me of an interesting bit of trivia I just realized ... Did you know that the guy who plays Dandy (who Harry is fighting with over the buckles as Mary is cutting Jem down), Edwin Greenwood, was a co-writer, along with Emlyn Williams, on the 1934 Hitchcock film, "The Man Who Knew Too Much" ... while Leslie Banks (Joss) was its star? Small world! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:16:11 09/08/07 Sat PS: If you ever want to see some really *obvious* stunt doubles, just watch the fight scene at the beginning of "Soldiers Three" really closely! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:21:57 09/08/07 Sat I've always wanted to see "Solders Three"! How do I locate a copy? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:23:26 09/08/07 Sat Really? Robert has a look-a-like? SWEET! I've been gone, didya miss me? I don't know if Robert actually fell from the ceiling when Mary cuts him down or not, it's hard to see his face! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:16:25 09/08/07 Sat Hey, welcome back, Elizabeth. I was gone too ... did anyone notice? (I'm so longwinded, you were probably all relieved!) Bob's lookalike (IMO) is Leo Genn (Dr. McDreamy--I mean, Dr. Kik from "The Snake Pit" ... and the French Constable from Henry V)! However, Leo was never a stunt double as far as I know. What I meant was that Bob's stunt double in S3 looks so *unlike* him (much shorter and stockier for one thing) that if you watch the scene closely, it's quite obvious that it's not him (or Cyril or Stewart Granger) fighting! Ah, Jenny, you just missed it on TCM about a month or so ago; they seem to show it about once a year, sometime in the summer. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:45:04 09/08/07 Sat "Ah, Jenny, you just missed it on TCM about a month or so ago; they seem to show it about once a year, sometime in the summer." Oh fiddlesticks! Regarding Leo Genn, I first saw him as Mr. Starbuck in John Huston's 1956 film version of Moby Dick. FYI- the ship they used for that film was the same ship that they had used for the Hispaniola in Disney's 1950 Treasure Island! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:35:42 09/08/07 Sat Oh yeah, I forgot about Leo! I've seen a picture of him before, they look like they could be brothers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:40:37 09/09/07 Sun "Regarding Leo Genn, I first saw him as Mr. Starbuck in John Huston's 1956 film version of Moby Dick. FYI- the ship they used for that film was the same ship that they had used for the Hispaniola in Disney's 1950 Treasure Island!" Small world, that's the same movie I first saw him, and probably another reason he reminds me of RN! (I knew about the ship, but maybe some others didn't ... hmm, I hope I remembered to mention it in the magazine article!) BTW, another actor I think looks a lot like RN (but not nearly as much as Leo Genn) is Milo O'Shea (as Friar Laurence in 1968's "Romeo and Juliet" at least). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:36:17 09/11/07 Tue Susan, "...another actor I think looks a lot like RN (but not nearly as much as Leo Genn) is Milo O'Shea (as Friar Laurence in 1968's "Romeo and Juliet" at least)." I haven't seen that film in ages. But I remember what O'Shea looks like and you are right, there is a resemblance between them! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:17:23 09/10/07 Mon Never heard of it, I'll have to look for it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:43:19 09/11/07 Tue Eh, he looks a little like Dudley Moore to me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:57:57 09/11/07 Tue Maybe a cross between RN and Dudley Moore. (?) You really have to go back to the late '60s/early '70s when he was younger (with dark hair--and bushy black eyebrows) to see the resemblance. He doesn't look like him much at all nowadays ... but then, sadly, we'll never know what RN would have looked like when he got older. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:17:21 09/11/07 Tue *sniffle* =~{ don't make me cry. yeah, I wonder what he would have looked like. Probably still handsome and somewhat clean cut. He wore that unfinished look good though, but it's nice to see him in a suit with his hair combed for a change, even if it was plastered to his head! from what friends have said about him, what role do you thnk he was more "himself" in. I think probably either Frank Gibbons or Mr. Fix. from the films that I've seen. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:36:15 09/13/07 Thu Another feature I forgot to mention are his nails, they're short and pretty. Unlike my Dracula claws, lol [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:07:17 09/24/07 Mon I LOVE his laugh, it's almost like Santa Clause, but when he laughs he has a huge smile on his face and it looks so sweet. Well, I guess you could say I love it when he laughs. Same difference, it's a luagh that could rattle the windows, sorta like the thunder outside right now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Trisha [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:44:31 09/25/07 Tue I know I'm a little late getting in on the conversation, but I've always loved Robert's eyes and hands. I would've loved to seen his eyes in color in all his films. I guess that's why after I saw him in in Treasure Island in 7th grade many years ago, I developed a crush on him. ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:10:37 09/26/07 Wed Ah, yes, 7th grade ... I found it a wonderful time to fall in love with Robert Newton as well. (Did you get to see those gorgeous eyes on the big screen in 1975, like I did? lol ... that's giving away our ages, isn't it? The theatre where I first saw it is now a drug store!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:21:30 09/26/07 Wed PS: BTW, Elizabeth, can you name a specific film/role where you especially like his laugh? It seems to me he probably had different laughs, depending on the character he was playing. Although I think I recall him letting out a few good Santa-like belly laughs in the LJS series. (I'm still pondering the other question you asked, about which character he played was most like himself; forgot which topic it was in now though.) PPS: Good to see you back, Trisha! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:54:09 09/26/07 Wed Susan, In Blackbeard, when he is trying to get "Maynyard" and the "Robin Red Breast" out of the hold and he sent a member of the crew down to get them and the guy got shot. Well, Bob let out with a kind of 'he-he-he', but it sounded real, like he was really getting a kick out of it. Then in that one episode of the LJS series where the guy falls on the banana peel on the deck of the ship (ugh), again Bob let out with a chuckle that sounded real. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:51:26 09/26/07 Wed Hmm, mostly in Baker of Barnbury, the was he laughs in that one. There was another one in TI, he doesn't really luagh he just sorta smiles and luaghs really soft. I'll watch it this tonight and tell you what scene it is. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:38:02 09/26/07 Wed I need to watch "Baker of Barnbury" again." :-) As for the Blackbeard laugh, I think it sounded pretty devious! (I hope he wasn't that devious in real life!) And as for it sounding real, well, all I can say is go back and watch "The Epic That Never Was"--the scene where Caligula (Emlyn Williams) sentences Claudius "to die in the most beautiful possible way" to see/hear how convincing an actor can be when he doesn't mean it at all! Emlyn looks like he's going to hurt himself laughing so hard, yet the moment the director says "cut," you'd never guess he'd been laughing at all, let alone doubled over, snorting, and looking like he had tears coming out of his eyes just a moment before. He just straightens up with a perfectly serious face and calmly walks off camera! That moment amuses and amazes me every time. I'm sure Bob was equally capable of creating the same illusion. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:08:08 09/27/07 Thu That reminds me of something that I've always wondered. And that is what it must be like to be married to an actor of that ability, as you mentioned about Emlyn Williams, and how they are able to turn it 'on and off' at any time. Could you really ever completely know, in real life, if they were sincere or just able to act out a crisis or situation at home. Scary thought, isn't it? Then again, they are professionals, just like any of us in the work force (of course, they get paid a lot more), and you learn to deal with work and leave it when you go home. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:58:18 09/27/07 Thu that's funny, I'll have to track that down somewhere. I have a friend who can start laughing out of nowhere and start crying then just stop straight faced, but after about 5 seconds he starts laughing again for real. He'll do that in class and the teachers hate him for it, he sits next to me in al my courses and I love him for it! I really want to see that scene though, it sounds hilarious! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Favorite Feature Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:48:10 09/28/07 Fri Interesting question. I have a friend who hates actors because you can't trust anyone who "pretends for a living." (She had a bad experience with one.) I wouldn't go that far, but I would think that being married to someone, you'd get to know a person and when they're being real or not. Also, I imagine it would be exhausting for the actor to be playing a role all the time. Everyone's got to let down their guard sometime! Yes, definitely check out that scene, Elizabeth. I laugh every time ... not so much at him laughing but at how fast he stops! It's like he just played a really great trick on you. (Check your local library; if they have a copy of the Masterpiece Theatre series of "I, Claudius" (starring Derek Jacobi and John Hurt); "Epic That Never Was" is on the last disk. And of course, you'll get to see Robert Newton back in 1937 too. (The start of his onscreen "feud" with Emlyn Williams!) Emlyn is so fun as Caligula, probably the role I like him in best after Harry. Totally unhistorical, but he's so over-the-top, it's great. ("Just a little bit sissy, but not too much." lol) I so wish that movie had been completed. It especially gives some fascinating peeks behind the scenes of movie-making. (Emlyn gives a great interview! I only wish he'd have talked about Bob. For someone who worked with him in four different films, he's mysteriously silent about him.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]