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Date Posted: 08:57:42 02/08/05 Tue
Author: Lindsay
Subject: Re: Contest
In reply to:
Nickie
's message, "Contest" on 07:47:37 02/08/05 Tue
I would say that they really are just second opinions. Judging a performance on any level is, by nature, subjective as you said. Therefore, we must take adjudicators' comments with a grain of salt. For some with less experience, they can be valuable insights for the betterment of their teaching, but for others, they may be comments on things they already know about, or they may even be attacks on the director's choices. Every adjudicator is different on what kinds of comments they make, so some may have constructive things to say, others may not. Besides, sometimes you just have to know when there's a particular way you want to do something with your ensemble, and if the judge doesn't like it and says so, then you just have to let it go.
Overall, I think adjudicators' comments can be valuable since they are outside perspectives, but just like any advice, take it under consideration, but don't treat it as law.
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Re: Contest -- Gary, 10:04:24 02/14/05 Mon [1]
I always disagreed with my high school choir director's outlook on contest, due to how seriously he took it. He made it perfectly clear to us that our reputations and, by association, his reputation were on the line every time we went to contest and that "failure" was not an option. He made it seem like the choir's very survival depended on the opinions of three very subjective humans. Especially because the adjudicators change every year, the standards for scoring also change slightly each year, and that makes the rating system used by contests a bit unreliable. Personally, I agree with Lindsay--take the comments as advice, learn from them, but I have add something: don't take that numerical rating so seriously.
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Re: Contest -- Nickie, 18:24:08 02/16/05 Wed [1]
See, it's funny that you say that because my high school choir director took the completely opposite approach. He would just write off all the comments as being "dumb" and I can just remember him saying something like, "This guy doesn't know what he's talking about... He's after us because he wanted this job that I have..." or the like. To me, that was just ridiculous. In retrospect, it seems like he had an inability to accept constructive criticism!
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Re: Contest -- Dr. O., 07:09:15 02/21/05 Mon [1]
This is an interesting thread. I agree that the opinion of adjudicators is, by its very nature, subjective. However, remember that these are trained adjudicators and are normally experienced, veteran teachers. In that regard, they are supposed to represent an informed opinion. Does it always work that way? Well, obviously not.
Here is an interesting example. In our Symphonic Band rehearsal we have spent considerable time working on playing musically, and examining some of the choices which lead to more musical performance. One of our alums, Rosalind Thacker, is a high school band director and has been sitting in on rehearsals to keep up her playing chops. After band rehearsal recently she approached me. If I can paraphrase our conversation, she basically said: I would like to have my high school band play more musically, but can I do that at contest, or will the judges just expect me to play exactly what is in the score, and penalize us if we deviate?
To me, this becomes the crux of the discussion about contest/adjudicated events? Does it encourage musical playing or rote, mechanical playing which follows exactly the score markings? When I was a high school band director I remember being criticized by a judge because my band played something at a tempo of 112 when the score said 120. I wonder if that doesn't happen all too often...
Dr. O.
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