Re: Bad Kiddies -- Heidelberg MusEd discussion

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Date Posted: 14:01:06 05/02/06 Tue
Author: Amanda
Subject: Re: Bad Kiddies
In reply to: Derek 's message, "Bad Kiddies" on 09:52:13 05/02/06 Tue

I completely understand the situation, in my high school the students had to have specific grades and other requirements to be able to stay in some of the ensembles. I think that if the student is succeeding in music, why take that away?

What I would suggest is to have the faculty members with problems sit down with you and the student (and even the student's parents, the principal, anyone who it might concern) and try to get to the bottom of the situation. Many times teachers are very quick to judge especially if they have already been told that the student is a problem. Then the student gets treated like they are a problem child even before they do anything wrong. Besides pulling the student out of the ensemble probably won't make things better.

Maybe there is an underlying problem that could be fixed if someone just sat down and talked to the student. That isn't always the truth, but I don't think it would hurt!

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[> Re: Bad Kiddies -- Devin Bramel, 08:27:52 05/13/06 Sat [1]

I would agree with Amanda that it is essential to determine, if possible, what is causing certain students to act out in some classes yet behave perfectly well in others. Any number of factors could be an issue: is the student not reacting well to the teacher's style of teaching, does the student harbor some resentment or other feelings of ill will toward the teacher, has the teacher inadvertently offended the student in some way, does the student have problems at home that must be discussed between teacher, principal, and parents, etc.

I also agree that it is important that gossip about students that is passed from teacher to teacher does not affect a teacher's predisposition toward a student. In my junior block experience, several times I heard my cooperating teacher talking with other teachers, in which they would discuss how certain students act in class. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, since it can give teachers the heads-up on any problems that the student might be bringing to class that day, in my opinion it becomes a problem when teachers use these discussions to talk poorly of students without offering any sort of constructive aspect to the discussion. Talking about these things in the hopes of finding a productive solution is never a bad idea, in my opinion; talking for the sake of detailing how unruly a student may be without offering any positive suggestions is a problem.

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