機械人沒有 free will does not mean all things other than 機械人有 free will -- 香港自由派基督教留言版 Liberal Christian Forum of Hong Kong

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機械人沒有 free will does not mean all things other than 機械人有 free will

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Date Posted: 16:21:03 05/07/04 Fri
In reply to: teresa 's message, "Re: Interesting!" on 14:16:00 05/07/04 Fri

>hi, I am studying philo and doing a project about
>whether the evil and god can exit together.

that is very interesting
which university?

>my group think that god and evil cant exit together.
>so we have to object free will.

you don't need to

even with free will, god and evil cannot exist together because not all evils are caused by human free will, a significant portion of evil events such as natural disasters are natural phenomena that cannot be altered by human free will

>
>sir:
>"其實我們是有ｆｒｅｅ　ｗｉｌｌ，
>否則神就做一些ｆｏｒｍａｔ的機械人(機械人沒有free will)
>既然我們不是機械人
>所以，我們是有ｆｒｅｅ　ｗｉｌｌ　的．"

for the sake of argument, i will argue with your teacher like this:

機械人沒有free will
既然我們不是機械人
所以，我們是有ｆｒｅｅ　ｗｉｌｌ　的．

this three statments are logically invalid

e.g.
機械人沒有free will
既然 a piece of stone 不是機械人
所以，a piece of stone 是有ｆｒｅｅ　ｗｉｌｌ　的．

機械人沒有 free will
but that does not mean all things other than 機械人有 free will
a bacterium has no free will
a tree has no free will
a worm has no free will
animals respond to environmental stimuli by appropriate behaviour to survive, eg, to obtain food and avoid toxic substances
for complex organisms like homo sapiens, the centre for control of behaviour in response to the environment stimuli is the brain, the brain is no more than a complex network of nerve cells (neurons) that works like a complex computer

we think that we have free will
but in fact all our thoughts and feelings and behaviours are mere outputs from a complex neuronal network

if you say human being has free will
you will be forced to admit that a complex computer has free will too, which is obviously not the case

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Re: Define free will	XOX	17:58:25 05/07/04 Fri