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Date Posted: 12:27:50pm 12/30/05 Fri,
Author: JoeStag
Subject: Re: Hoops Success & SAT Scores - Correlation or Causation?!?!
In reply to: Running Man 's message, "Re: Hoops Success & SAT Scores - Correlation or Causation?!?!" on 11:08:51am 12/30/05 Fri,

To make a proper comparison, we would need GPA and SAT data for Prov/Vill from 1980..... before they joined the Big East. It would be usefull to also compare that with Fordham and Holy Cross to really see how Athletics had an effect on attracting better or more students.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hoops Success & SAT Scores - Correlation or Causation?!?! -- Stagophile, 01:35:30pm 12/30/05 Fri, [1]

JoeStag, I agree with you. But speaking from my own experience in applying to schools in the late 80s, Fairfield was considered to be equal if not a better school than Villanova by my Catholic high school peers and Providence was not even close academically. Most of us who went the Catholic university route ranked the schools in the following order 1.) ND, 2.) HC, 3.) BC, 4.) Fairfield, 5.) VU and then 6.) PC. I suspect that if you asked the guys from my Catholic high school today you would probably see the following ranking: 1.) ND, 2.) BC, 3.) HC, 4.) VU, 5.) PC and 6.) Fairfield. While I am sure that the quality of Fairfield student body continues to improve, the problem is that Fairfield is not improving at the same pace as VU and PC. Both schools are benefiting from their Big East affiliations and have invested significant amounts of money into their academic offerings and facilities. Villanova looks nothing like what I looked at when I applied there.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hoops Success & SAT Scores - Correlation or Causation?!?! -- FU73, 03:05:32pm 12/30/05 Fri, [1]

I applied to Fairield in 1969 and did so because it was Jesuit. At the time, Fairfield was ranked behind ND,HC,BC by my peers but ahead of PC. Maybe it was my location in Springfield,MA but HC and BC were very popular and seemed to draw the most students. A few years ago, I was at PC with my niece and as far as the campus goes, there is no comparison.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hoops Success & SAT Scores - Correlation or Causation?!?! -- Stagophile, 03:37:19pm 12/31/05 Sat, [1]

JoeStag,

To address your request for comparison data from the 1980s, I found the following post on the Villanova website in a thread discussing their growing national recognition....

http://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=759&tid=52580880&sid=&style=2

Villanova's changes are these...

* In the 1980s, the prime crossover application schools were B.C., Georgetown, Holy Cross as are included today, but also Seton Hall, St. Joseph's, Temple, Rutgers, Fairfield, Providence, Catholic University, Penn State, Saint Bonaventure, Niagara, Duquesne.

* Today they still include B.C., Georgetown and The Cross, but Notre Dame is firmly in there and, although there are 3-4 others more prominent on N.D.'s list, we are a major crossover for them, although considered a safety school, because only 27% of the co-acceptees opt for Villanova, not a great #, but a whole lot better than the old 10% figure between the two of us. Also, among the newbies: Lafayette College, Bucknell, Lehigh, a stronger Penn State presence, Marquette, U.C.L.A., Stanford, Cornell, University of Pennsylvania, Carnegie Mellon, to name some others.

Quite a change.

* A "highly competitive" admissions process that was considered "competitive" a generation ago. Average incoming S.A.T. range this fall, I hear (25th percentile to 75th)...1,220-1,380...A.C.T. range: 26-31. Nearly 50% of the enrollees will come from the top 10% of their high school classes.

* Where we had 84% of our incoming frosh in 1980 from just six states, and nearly 90 from the northeast, today, that six-state percentage is 69.5% and overall, the eastern percentage is 74.5. Eight percent each come from the midwest and west (back then, the TOTAL percentage from these two was 5%), 5% come from the southeast, 1.5% the southwest and about 3% foreign and territorial. Most of this change has come within the last 13 years.

It's one helluva change, and something of a casualty is some of the old identity. But I think we'll all adjust and really enjoy the new Villanova
imagery.

b70

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