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Date Posted: 07:46:16 06/02/07 Sat
Author: Samir
Subject: Re: Freedom of choice? Under Labour? Under Socialism?
In reply to: Graham Cox 's message, "Freedom of choice? Under Labour? Under Socialism?" on 10:16:53 05/30/07 Wed

> Hello again Samir,
>With regard to your points about certain creeds or
>races wishing to socialise with each other, I
>understand that as a preference, people will wish to
>“hang around” with others of same racial religious
>fraternity, it is more to do with familiarity than it
>is coldness and an unwillingness to integrate, I’m not
>that stupid =) … honest…
>
>But my problem with your doctrine is that you
>highlighted segregational favouritism in your last
>post, and now you seem set on heel-turning and making
>out that I am in some way badgering you for a racist
>outburst; I am not I assure you. I simply wish to
>point out that a blatant refusal or unwillingness to
>learn a native language or indeed integrate is not
>effective in curing racism nor is it deemed
>appropriate; if you want all-Asian areas, fine, just
>understand then why such organisations as the BNP
>exist and why they mirror your views.
>
>I also take a fair amount of your claim about
>“Westerners living in their own compounds” in India
>with a certain degree of salt, namely a few pinches,
>as I can see no real evidence to suggest they do it
>because they have no wish to commune with the
>indigenous inhabitants. From personal experience I can
>offer you quite an opposing scene, with the English
>ex-pats revelling in the hustle and bustle of Delhi,
>because in such a country, and such a culture, it
>would be rather idiotic for an Englishman, or
>westerner in general, to act in a manner disconcerting
>or to derogate those who would happily remove the
>fingers of the person responsible. You cannot base
>western culture and a much more modern, liberal
>society against a Middle-Eastern society and culture,
>which I know full well, has areas of outstanding
>beauty, but also areas where third-world hunger and
>malady are still rife, and peasantry and barbarism
>still reign. Terrorism, extremism and fundamentalism
>rule the roost.
>
>It is a totally different world and should never be
>put into comparison with a modern western civilisation
>as the two so obviously collide and share little in
>similarity Samir, so I cast off any claims of such
>activity from English ex pats, as I doubt they would
>dare. Whats the Scots, yanks and the rest do is up to
>them.
>
>As for the ghetto theory, I suggest you take a look at
>places such as Bradford, Oldham and areas of
>Birmingham, Nottingham and even Peterborough. These
>places have such “no go” areas, where Asian gang
>culture and even inter-racial war have taken place,
>the areas are run-down and tempers are frayed. Yes,
>such areas exist for whites also, and they are aptly
>branded as “ghettos” because they are forsaken,
>hellish places where entry is a damn sight easier than
>exit. When you truly understand the problems in such
>areas, you’ll realise why communication, effective
>integration and a sense of communal harmony is a must,
>and to claim that Asian only areas are fine just
>distances any and all hope that things will or could
>ever improve.
>
>No amount of “fair play” or “rights” makes any bloody
>difference. You can’t promote autonomy for Asians, and
>cobblers to the rest.
>
>I know some Asian guys and gals do very well for
>themselves, I have discussed this before, time and
>time again, but my problem lies with the fact that
>you, and others, are quick to dismiss any claims that
>such an Asian underclass exists, instead blaming or
>projecting the problem onto others, much as you have
>done.
>
>The mainstream media means little to me Samir, and I
>can assure you that what they print is certainly not
>what I think. I take people at face value Samir,
>whatever colour they may be, and I don’t suffer fools
>gladly, hence the reason I tend to avoid many glossy
>rags or pro-socialist newscasts. I tend to rely on
>wits, experience and the fact that I can honestly say,
>I’ve seen it all! And seen it I have mate.
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> So, your idea of multiculturalism is to embrace
>values such culture, religion, colour, creed, race,
>background, music, dance etc etc etc, but NOT
>language, as you don’t deem it necessary to form the
>basis of multicultural understanding? How is that
>going to work and how are respectful advances to be
>made when neither local group nor new arrival can make
>headway and both sides of the cultural fence seem
>unfamiliar and daunting, even frightening for some?
>
>I in no way justify those who have called you names in
>the past, it is ignorant, stupid and hugely
>ill-mannered; but I must add that racism cuts both
>ways Samir, and the Politically Correct media will
>quickly highlight and make the utmost of any
>race-based crime or faux-pas, albeit primarily white
>on ethnic, we all know it happens, but what you must
>understand is that in some inner-city hellholes, where
>unemployment is rife, danger lurks in every street and
>societal relations has broken down, not only between
>those of differing race or colour, but also differing
>behavioural or educative backgrounds.
>
>When this little melting pot reaches boiling point, a
>release is required by those who are stuck in the
>shitholes, and when that release happens….holy shit!
>Recent riots and the uprising of “chav” culture have
>shown what forsaking a society, and misinforming or
>making false promises to its inhabitants can do.
>
>People don’t like change, whatever their background.
>Gypsies being ushered into green-belt upper-middle
>class areas have proved that it doesn’t have to be
>necessarily “council” estate based, when differing
>classes or cultures are pushed or imposed all of a
>sudden on an unsuspecting community, trouble occurs.
>It really is that simple.
>
>Effective communication was not prevalent, and people
>were misinformed, at worst, NOT informed of the
>apparent changes. So who was to blame in that
>situation, the Gypsie travellers, the media labelled
>“snobs” or the local regimes and despots doing the
>shoving? I think we both know the answer. I don’t
>blame Asians for wanting to maintain their
>communities, and in a sense I agree that they, and we,
>should have a choice. But I’m afraid some of us don’t,
>and if we try, we get labelled by the Mainstream
>media, the government Marxist maniacs and yes, some
>apparent “representatives” of the Asian community,
>usually that of the Muslim community admittedly. THAT
>is where my problem lies.
>
>If, using England by example, the Asian community is
>refusing or unwilling to learn effective communication
>through basic, valid exchange of the native language,
>then how are they seriously expecting people to adopt
>their cultures or respect them when they seem as
>distant or unwilling to participate in the game of
>society as those who are looked upon as racists or
>bigots because they do the same yet sport a whiter
>complexion?
>
>There are those who will one step further and say “Why
>should we respect them when they don’t want to
>integrate with us”. What side of the fence would they
>sit on Samir and what colour would they be? How many
>people instantly imagine a white face? My point
>exactly. Trying to promote segregate settlements
>within a foreign country is wrong, especially when
>terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, racism and
>race-hate is seen as a huge problem, yet no one dares
>address it. It arouses suspicion.
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> Wonder why that is? It can be a few things Samir;
>one, your stores are based in almost exclusively
>all-Asian areas, that will put some English people
>off; primarily because, as was stated earlier, there
>are certain “no go” areas for whites and indeed
>Asians, and you may not realise that your shop could
>well be based in an area of such. Youth culture is
>dominated by such things, and an apparent lack of
>young English white males entering your store could
>well be the result of a local Asian gang unwilling to
>allow white lads anywhere near your store. Harsh
>sounding, yes, realistic; most definitely! I’ve seen
>it happen both ways, and it is sick, sad and
>deplorable, yet the funny thing is, at the school
>gates the next day, they could all be mates again.
>Work that one out!
>
>Secondly, it could be sheer ignorance I admit. But
>realistically, I severely doubt there could possibly
>be THAT many uneducated and ill-informed English
>people living within your store areas.
>
>Thirdly, people may feel uneasy entering your store, a
>lot of time and effort is spent making English natives
>feel worthless, racist and loathsome by
>Marxist-Socialist groups, Muslim lobbyists and the
>Government, the result being some English people will
>just avoid Asian men and women like the plague, scared
>they will be labelled or act aloof or cold in your
>presence because of an apparent hypersensitivity to
>“racist comments or insinuation” by some Asians and
>self-styled “Muslim sympathisers”.
>
>Freedom of Choice is a bastard of an expression when
>used the way you use it Samir; because yet again it
>promotes freedom for you, but coercion for me. My
>freedom is force fed through dogma and multl-culti
>rantings. My freedom of expression results in a
>watered-down vocabulary and a almost constant need to
>rehearse my script before openly saying anything, so
>as not to offend some Mullah who HAS to find something
>offensive coming from a white mans mouth, or some
>abhorrent intellectually-challenged socialist pig who
>will pick words and phrases from my statements and
>twist them into some incomprehensible, but almost
>certainly racist in their view, tirade of abuse toward
>anyone different to me, with regard to colour, creed,
>religion, race, culture, gender, sexuality,
>social-class, background, club, clique, hobby
>interest... do you get the picture?
>
>The first and foremost means of effective
>communication between any people is speech. If I
>cannot understand what the chap in front of me is
>saying, how am I supposed to strike up a rapport with
>him, and discuss his interests or strike up friendship
>when he blatantly has no wish to converse with me
>because he is unwilling to learn even Basic English
>language? Would I be having this wonderful discussion
>with you if you were not able to type very good
>English?
>

> Unfortunately you were caught in the same
>headlights so many have recently been dazzled with
>Samir; proving just how easy it is for me ‘find’
>offence if I really want to. I don’t mind being called
>racist for not seeing eye-to-eye with some maniacal
>Mullah or Muppet Marxist oaf, and I certainly did not
>take offence at your claim, I understand that you are
>indeed smart enough not to label as so many others do
>= ) sorry for using you as an example…
>
>As for your second point, I agree. With regard to
>Political correctness in this country, I believe it
>has placed an even larger divide between the Asian and
>white communities. If I really try, I can even agree
>that yes, you should be allowed to have your own
>communities, and yes, so should we (not that I budge
>on learning to communicate effectively, so nice try! =
>) ), but without the curtain or cloud of PC bigotry
>that stops us from naturally investigating or
>venturing into each others territory, and finding out
>for ourselves that we are not really so different and
>not hell-bent on destroying each other, taking the
>good bits of both cultures and amalgamating them to
>form a really rich, fruitful society.
>
>Take us two for example, debating away like a couple
>of time-served MPs, yet we have never met, are of
>different religious and cultural backgrounds, yet
>strangely one and the same when it comes to promoting
>freedom of speech and expression, encouraging healthy
>debate and answering the queries we have of each
>other’s racial backdrop without hesitancy… it proves
>it can be done. Lol.
>
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>“ I dont have a problem with the police searching
>people but they should have very strong reasons for
>doing so. They shouldnt just target asians like they
>have, sometimes at gun point and then after releasing
>them two weeks later say sorry. That is not good
>enough and this is not just the odd incident, it
>happens on a very regular basis. The police force it
>has been confirmed is inherintly racist, so I think
>getting rid of the racists would be a very good first
>step in gaining the trust of certain peoples. When
>they have done this i believe they should go about
>their job with very good grounds to search someone and
>not just because someone looks a certain way.”
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> I agree that racism within the Police force is
>unacceptable, although the governmental approach of
>“positive discrimination” and the promotion of more
>ethnic police officers whilst turning away white faces
>is not only offensive, but downright deplorable! It
>has even been admitted that some forces across the UK
>are turning down many perfectly able and some
>brilliantly minded potential officers, to make way for
>less-able and in some cases disabled counterparts to
>fill some pathetic diversity quota. I don’t agree that
>it could ever be right, and to be honest, I couldn’t
>give a flying frig what colour the copper was, just as
>long as he can do his job efficiently and wants to
>help.
>
>And I can assure you that they do not “just target
>Asians”. The diversity training for new police
>recruits is abominable, and can actually increase
>racist beliefs, but the guidelines set in place ensure
>that no one party is effected more than another. The
>police in this country don’t carry guns by default
>Samir, and can only get their hands on them in a
>genuine case of emergency or if a genuine threat of
>violence is apparent, so quite how you paint these
>pictures of fascist police brandishing guns and
>arresting Asians for breathing is pure fairytale mate,
>its crap. Terrorists are a problem, and if the Muslim
>community was eager to stop it, it would do more to
>expose extremists within their boundaries.
>
>When I say I am suspicious of Asian communities
>wishing to be autonomous, having their own stores,
>their own areas, their own this and that, it means I
>question why they want them, yet don’t seem to want to
>expose the bad apples in their carts, the bad within
>the bunch, and makes me suspicious that some use this
>cloak of promoted autonomy to HIDE those who could be
>a potential threat. That is why I feel that effective
>communication and a willingness to learn basic English
>is essential. Why come to live here if you don’t like
>what you are coming to, or don’t want to integrate
>into a large western society?
>
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> It is, but some DO use it as an excuse. There will
>always be those who wish to try their luck, just as
>the indigenous English have their louts and idiots who
>use their said stupidity as an excuse, I even know of
>one chap who claimed disability benefit and got a
>mobility car on the pretence that he couldn’t read and
>write, society had branded him as stupid and that made
>him a depressive. Was he really an idiot? No he
>certainly was not. People like that need exposing, but
>unfortunately for people like you and me Samir, we get
>human rights legislation, Socialist dogma and
>infuriating sympathy for people who are seen as the
>underdog, whilst we are usually left to rot, either at
>the hands of political correctness and flagrant
>liberalist meddling, or at the hands of loutish,
>bigoted morons and media enhanced hype.
>
>The solution is simple, but the implementation will
>take the removal of ten years of socialist Labour
>domineering and a return to common sense.
>

>
> If only it was the end of it…
>But you know as well as I do that some Asians do have
>a problem with it, some seek to find offence at almost
>anything considered traditionalist and some even
>threaten English heritage as a means to set the
>socialist wheels in motion. As I have stated probably
>five times in THIS thread, it is not only the Asians
>who do it, not only the ethnic minority as a clique do
>it, it is also screeching, tin-pot Hitlers from the
>socialist unions that do it, inferior feeling and
>self-loathing bloc groups such as the dreaded and
>rather unkempt UAF that do it.
>
>“You can go out on the streets and shout ENGLAND,
>ENGLAND and it wont bother me so i dont know why you
>are going on about it.” It may be just the power of
>print but I do detect a little odium there Samir.
>
>The St Georges cross is something I find
>heart-warming, pride-inducing and nostalgia producing;
>your stereotyping of a typical English football
>hooligan waving it and jeering makes you come across
>as nothing less than a dogmatic fucking idiot, and
>when you preach of stereotypes and badmouthing of
>Asians you need to remember not to shoot yourself in
>the foot.
>
>It would be a little like me accusing you of being a
>terrorist because you happened to wave a Pakistani
>flag at the cricket. Careful…
>
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>“As for the ghurka it is unfortunate but thats
>something you should write to the governmant about if
>you feel strongly about it. It makes me laugh haha
>when you accuse me of getting prickly when i have said
>several times now that quote"i dont think you are
>racist'. So dont try and portray me as something i am
>not, i dont think you are racist once again i think
>you are just a person with a misguided agenda. Indeed
>dont put words into my mouth by saying i promote
>racism when i dont do or have never said such a thing.
>I condemn racism , so dont accuse me of promoting it
>just to get your own way and win the argument.”
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>
> Hmm, proved a point though didnt he?
>
>Anyway...Promoting segregation, trying to bound me
>over with one right for Asians, another for you, IS
>racist Samir, if I said to you, “Fuck the Asians, keep
>‘em all in their own little communities and we’ll
>oppress them with political correctness, we want our
>whites only areas , we aint doin no harm to no one.”
>I’d sound like a right bastard. However, when you do
>it, it’s all OK in camp Galloway.
>
>I don’t accuse you of being outwardly racist, if you
>were, I wouldn’t waste my time discussing with you the
>problems regarding a failure to learn basic language
>when entering a foreign country to take residency, but
>I just take grasp of your claims of a “misguided
>agenda” and laugh back at you for trying to imply that
>I am lampooning you or trying to expose you as a
>horrible, racially prejudiced Asian thug. I just
>question your ethics and ponder WHY you really want
>Asian only areas yet at the same time wish to
>integrate successfully into British society, yet you
>wonder why English patrons don’t enter your stores yet
>you promote Asian self-rule and encourage new-arrivals
>not to learn the language! It seems a bit mixed and
>matched for me to feel comfortable Samir, and being a
>rather curious person you know…
>
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>“What doesnt seem right to you is your problem,
>speaking a language should not be forced on people,
>simple as really.
>Well if you suggest that the english see people of
>other cultures who dont speak english then surely the
>problem is with those english who dont give people the
>benefit of the doubt. I fail to see the correlation
>really. There could just as well be an asian who
>speaks english and yet upto no good. there could also
>be an asian who talks to people but talks rubbish. You
>are just making a small issue into a big one. If i
>didnt speak english i would be as nice and kind as i
>am to people. It woulnt make a difference to my
>personality and therefore there wouldnt be any
>problems and if people wanted to say im up to no good
>or that i am a terrorist just for that reason than the
>problem is theirs and not mine. U can use colourful
>language like abhorrant all you like but the reality
>is that most people who dont speak english in this
>country are not abhorrant.”
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> It isn’t just my problem, that’s ludicrous! It is
>a nationwide problem that cannot be seriously
>addressed without the need for interpreters, and that
>to me stands in the way of democratic rule for
>example, because how are these people supposed to vote
>for a governing party when they don’t understand the
>manifesto, or when it is presented to them in a
>language they know, are they supposed to then compare
>that manifesto with the state of the nation and its
>issues? What you have is essentially a guaranteed vote
>for whatever party rules at the time of entry, and
>anyone with an IQ in even double figures should be
>able to work out why.
>
>It is not solely about character, or attitude, yes
>there are terrorists who speak perfect English, Asians
>who cant speak English yet may be perfectly friendly,
>loving and cultured souls, BUT, if they then enter a
>foreign country to LIVE, and then REFUSE to learn to
>native tongue to form the basis of effective
>communication with said locals, that makes me question
>WHY they seek residence in this country, WHY they
>wanted to come here if they have no wish to integrate?
>That then plays into the hands of people such as the
>BNP, who will then preach to me; “It’s because they
>want our benefits, houses and jobs!” See how it all
>moulds together Samir? Some people believe it, and
>extremism is born!
>
>It is abhorrent IN MY VIEW to enter a country and snub
>learning the language. It shows that you have no
>interest in your resident country and as such shows
>little decorum, WHEREVER you’re from, and WHEREVER
>you’re going!
>
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>“This is not a very big issue indeed. It is only a
>very big issue indeed for those who want language
>forced upon people. Choosing to mix mainly with
>peopple of a similar culture is not racist GEORGE.
>bEING DEROGATORY TO PEOPLE OF OTHER CULTURES IS.
>Indeed I resent the fact that you suggest that asians
>put a facade of politeness which we certainly dont do.
>Stop trying to demonise asians.”
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> And to think I was starting to like you! = )
>I am NOT demonising Asians, if I wanted to do that I
>would simply sit here chanting “terrorist bastards,
>send em all ‘ome” wouldn’t I? Have I? I simply wish to
>enquire why you think my language is unimportant yet
>you wish for integration to be prevalent, with no
>basis to form a bond between peoples.
>
>I know the true meaning of the WORD racism Samir, as
>do you obviously, but is that the new view of it, or
>the dictionary explanation? My point is that there is
>much much more now that can be regarded as racist, not
>just derogatory speech or actions pertaining to those
>of differing race, but also regarding religious
>hatred, questions/enquiries/thoughts proposed to be
>anti-Islamic, extremist right-wing views (left-wing
>extremism is fine), failure to agree with a socialist
>bigot, daring to question Labour immigration policy,
>trying to protect your heritage if you’re white, not
>employing enough blacks and Asians to fill a quota,
>comically (not derogatorily) impersonating an ethnic
>minority figure (but the film white chicks was fine,
>no derogatory stereotyping there, nor was “going for
>an English”, on Goodness Gracious Me), calling
>someone a “poppadum” on crap reality show (although
>white trash, and “those people” {providing it is an
>ethnic person that says it} is fine and dandy),
>daring to read anything other than the Guardian, the
>list is bloody near endless Samir.
>
>Graham by the way…
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> “Facial expression usually tells you whether someone
>likes you or not or is pleased with you or not.”
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>
> Rubbish; so sneering, grinning piss-takingly or
>smiling, and saying something alien to the listener
>should be taken as signs of affection or liking from
>people then? I think we both know the problem with
>this claim Samir…
>
>There is no substitute for same-language
>communication, what about humour or differences in
>cultural expression?
>
>What may seem funny to one person almost certainly
>could cause serious offence or worse for the other,
>and if they cannot talk their way out of a potential
>bout of fisticuffs, what then, just let them get on
>with it? Isn’t that how mass fights or riots sometimes
>start?

> And yet you call ME misguided? Yes, there are
>those who would prefer to live “amongst their own”,
>obviously, and yes, if that is their choice fine, NOT
>racist, but sensible. HOWEVER, a recent look at events
>shows that it is not so “free” as you like to put it.
>What about the Police headquarters that was moved
>because the area was “hideously white”? Greg Dyke
>calling the BBC “still hideously white after 6 years”…
>so I’m afraid that freedom to promote your own kind
>and a showy display of “its ok, be proud of who you
>are” only rings true if you are an ethnic. You can
>take that as racist if you see fit, I don’t care, I’m
>not being derogatory, but some of our peers are, and
>their doing it to ME, not you. You are ALLOWED to
>think and act the way you do, you CAN say that, you
>CAN promote all-Asian areas, but my argument is, if I
>did the same, I would be some serious fucking trouble.
>IS THAT FREEDOM OF CHOICE Samir? Is that Freedom in
>general?
>
>I won’t repeat myself over my views regarding
>language, everyone knows them by now…
>

> The NBPA is a racist organisation, as it promotes
>black police officers, and doesn’t do anything for
>white officers; in fact, it called for all-asian
>forces in all-asian areas. Then, under your same
>claim, THAT is racist. The Muslim Council of Britain
>favours Muslims over everyone else, and with the new
>“Islamic Racism” claims (yes, how pathetic, never knew
>Islam was a race), they can now be looked upon as a
>racist organisation as it favours the rights of one
>faction or creed over another. I can throw dozens of
>those your way too Samir, there are political parties
>that favour Asians, and call for Muslim rule; there
>are some organisations that seek to enforce Sharia
>Law. These organisations are racist, fascist or
>oppressive also.
>
>The BNP are racist, yes, but will gain ground when
>people such as yourself promote the view that it is OK
>to shun native languages in favour of “communities”,
>snub indigenous national heritage but place pride in
>your own, because by doing so, you are giving them
>exactly the fuel they need to fire up the indigenous
>peoples’ suspicion, which in turn stems frustration at
>the mainstream parties for not tackling issues such as
>mass immigration and ethnic crime, and therefore
>breeding hatred of other religions, races and cultures
>through propaganda and highlighting of
>ethnically-perpetrated wrongdoings.
>
>Mind you, don’t Labour, the Respect (HA!) Coalition,
>and other trade-unionist run, socialist/communist
>arseholes work toward the same results, only in the
>opposite direction?
>
>Graham Cox.

Hello Graham,
If people want to use asian areas as an excuse to be racist then they are the ones who are wrong. Maybe you are right when you said that asian only areas dont help in curing racism, maybe English people use this as an excuse to be racist but Graham they are wrong! You dont solve a problem like racism by giving in to people and stopping your way of life just to make them happy! No you dont, what you do is you tell them what they are doing is wrong(ie educate them) and if they listen or decide not to that is their choice! I find it insulting that you say that the BNP mirror my views, how can you say that! Have you just come from the pub because I havent, there arent any near here for miles! The BNP is a racist organisation that wants all ethinic minorities to leave the country. They dont want to live in peace with us. But I want to live in peace with people like you. So there is a difference my friend!
I can assure you my misguided friend that most of the English in India do live in compounds exclusive to them.
Trust me they do, do you really think they live among the local population? well you are wrong you will hardly ever find them living with indian neighbours living to the right and left of them as neigbours! You obviously havent been to India and you have made that scene up. By the way the people dont cut the fingers off the English who live in these compounds, they are allowed to live in peace!So stop trying to make Asians look like barbarians. You also show your stupidity again by saying that India is a middle eastern country, it is certainly not, nor is Pakistan may I say.You need to get a geography lesson before you start making such things up. These two countries are South Asian countrys if you are interested.
As for what you say about the so called asian ghettos well you are wrong again. I have visited all the area you have said except for Peterborough, and I can tell you they are all lovely places. There are no interacial war as you put it. Again you are trying to dramatize things and pretend that wars are happening when they are not. There are no go areas in this country unless you are a coward! English people are allowed to walk up any asian street in peace unless they search for trouble. It is only then that they will naturally get a response from the locals! This is just a fake idea that you are coming up with to demonise asians again. Trust me you walk up an asian street and see if you get beaten up because you are english. Nothing more will happen to you then any other inner city area.
I dont just promote autonomy for asians, I promote it to anyone who wants it so stop making stuff up. I think once again you are trying to make out there is a big problem than there is. At least you have got the sense to see the media as it is. You want me to trust that youve seen it all? Like India in the middle east?
Yes my idea of multiculturism is that the host country embraces and accepts the ethnic minorities values and culture and vice versa so both can live in harmony. It is only when certain people dont accept others cultures religion, race etc. that they try to stop them from getting particular jobs etc. As for learning a language, yes I do think SOME asians should learn English as should some English try and learn some of the asian languages Urdu,Hindi, Punjabi, Brahui etc. But to say that all asians must speak English is ludicrous. Why do they when they can get on in life fine and without any problems. If people like you say are scared of the ethnic minorities then they are stupid.
When you try and say that you english have it harder than asians i really find that hard to believe. Indeed i disagree with it, you should come and see the daily problems asians face as far as discrimination. I know a few english people and they would never dream of having similar problems. Their life is much more less discriminated against. Trust me.
If you seriously feel that you dont have a choice to live where and whith who you want you should take it up with the people who are standing in your way. Because they are standing in your way and stopping you from your rights. Forget the labels and do what you have to do and live in the way you wish. We asians have had to get used to labels but it hasnt stopped us and it should not stop you. I dont expect non asians to adopt our culture unless they wish to but I do expect them to respect us just as we respect their way of life even if we disagree with it. An asian shouldnt be expected to learn english just to get respect. Those who say "Why
>should we respect them when they don’t want to
>integrate with us” are wrong. They should respect asians and their race, way of life and culture and asians should do the same to the english. Asians shouldnt look at the English with suspicion and vice versa. Im happy to see that you agree with asians having their own communities.
So what you are saying is that you are against people living by their own guidelines and their own autonomy. Well you are wrong to think that way. We do both but we dont break the law, because we respect it. Just as we should be respected regardless of who we live with or how. If you think that all those people will give you a hard time for wanting to live a certain way then you should address that problem.
As far as my stores are concerned they are not in no go areas. There are a few whites who live in the streets believe me, and they live there freely with no trouble by asians.
Freedom of expression should be there for everyone as long as they can justify what they say. If you find that you are discriminated well I am sorry for you but again it is not my fault. When I go overseas, I cant understand the languages of some of the countries but that doesnt stop me from respecting the people of those countries. Yes I agree with your view about the PC biggots in this country, they make more problems for everyone.
It is good that you can see that the policeforce is inherrantly racist. I think it is good that there is a quota for ethnic minorities. At least this will stop them from being discriminated and stopped from getting a place in a racist police setup! I am aware that the ordinary police in this country dont carry guns but the special forces have on many occasions kicked their way into an asian mans house and pointed a gun to his face. Just take the case of the two asians in London who had their door knocked down by the police, and who were hit by the police and dragged by them. They also had guns pointed in their face for a long time. So this Graham is not fantasy, this is reality. If there are a lot of people like you out there who seriously think like this then god help us. Those two asians I have to add were both innocent! As are many others who go through similar experiences.
The muslim community does a lot to expose any people who they know to be involved in terrorism! Believe me! What gives you the idea that they do not want to expose the so called bad apples as you put it. They do everything to expose them if they know about them. The asian communities certainly dont hide terrorists, if there are any that they know of they will expose them. Why live in this country? that was your question, well I could ask you the same thing. I live in this country because I have the right to live here. There is already a large asian community in this country who all have the right to live here. Everyone has British passports and legally have the right to be here. What else do you want me to say? I like living the life I have with the asian community.
There is obviously a problem with the law and it needs to be changed so peole dont get tempted to try their luck. There will always be people who take advantage of the mistakes in the law for their benefit, so the law needs to be improved. Yeah ten years of labour has been too long, but who else is there to vote for? None of the three main parties appeal to me.
People who have a problem with you celebrating your englishness are wrong to stop you from doing what you want to do.
If a piece of cloth gives you those emotions than so be it but there is no need to start swearing at me and using bad language. If you want to be aggressive we can all type in an aggressive way you fucking fool, it is not hard is it. I say you can do what you want as far as celebrating your country and you choose to use swear words. How very clever! I didnt say that you were a hooligan again you are putting words in my mouth. What you wish to do is your business! I respect the way you think but I do not have to believe it. The English have a very poor culture in my opinion.
What point did the ghurka prove? The point that hen has no right in this country maybe? I didnt get you there mate.
Im not promoting one rule for me and another for you, when did I say that? If the whites want their own areas they should have them!
It is obvious why a lot of english do not enter my stores and I dont encourage my people not to learn english, I give them the freedom of choice as I have said before. The main reasons asians come to this country, is because they have relatives here, or because their other half lives here or because they can have a better life here. Well the people who believe rubbish are fools!
I think asians are very discriminated against and you think people like you are discriminated against, what we need to do is to fight for our rights to get the right balance.
Facial expressions, sneering, grinning piss-takingly or
>smiling are all indicators of how someone feels about you. If a person says something in a foreign language to you why do you easily take offence.
The difference between the BNP and other groups you have mentioned is that they hate ethnic minorities and they want them out of the country while the other organisations dont. The other organistions look to help a particular group but they dont target other groups in the way the BNP does! I think most of your problems are with this government so I would vote for someone else during the next elections and tell others to do the same.

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