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Date Posted: 13:12:28 11/11/04 Thu
In reply to:
Catherine
's message, "Re: Corrections to you" on 12:06:15 11/11/04 Thu
>>>>Just want to clear up some facts:
>>>>England and its ‘subsidiaries’ ARE democratically
>>>>based. The government is democratically elected, the
>>>>Queen is a figurehead. Yes, I agree that it is a bit
>>>>stupid to have a pointless figurehead, but who am I
>>to
>>>>judge? The bottom line is that the government of
>>>>England, Canada, Australia etc ARE in fact
>>>>democratically elected, and any relationship to the
>>>>Queen is, practically speaking, symbolic. Having
>>>>studied constitutional law, and closely examined the
>>>>constitutional systems of all of these nations,
>there
>>>>is actually not a great deal of difference,
>>>>democratically speaking. The one major difference is
>>>>that the US has a constitutionally-enshrined bill of
>>>>rights. Not 100% sure, but Canada may as well. The
>>>>other countries have human rights enforced through
>>>>legislation or convention. These systems are not
>>>>really better or worse, just different.
>>>>The point about taxes is correct – the US may have
>>>>lower tax rates, but you pay a heap more for
>doctors,
>>>>medication etc. And it is ridiculously more
>expensive
>>>>to go to university in the US – where I am from,
>>>>nobody’s parents really save up for their kids
>>>>education – they don’t need to! So, I guess there
>are
>>>>positives and negatives to any system.
>>>>Not trying to cause any trouble, but as a
>>>>non-American, had to clear up some of these
>>>>misconceptions! :)
>>>
>>>Canada does have constitutionally enshrined rights,
>>>albiet slightly different than those found in the
>U.S.
>>>You're completely right in everything else you said
>as
>>>well, Sally. Where are you from?
>>>As for your comments, Deb - like I said before, my
>>>post was in no way meant to be judgemental or
>>>insulting. Your statement was one of an enthnocentric
>>>nature, and it is your statement that is the kind
>that
>>>fuels anger between Canadians and Americans. Please
>be
>>>a little more open to criticism and new information.
>>
>>Canada is an independent constitutional MONARCHY and a
>>member of the Commonwealth of Nations. The monarch of
>>Great Britain and Northern Ireland is also the monarch
>>of Canada and is represented in the country by the
>>office of governor-general. The basic constitutional
>>document is the Canada Act of 1982, which replaced the
>>British North America Act of 1867 and gave Canada the
>>right to amend its own constitution. The Canada Act,
>>passed by Great Britain, made possible the
>>Constitution Act, 1982, which was passed in Canada.
>>The document includes a Charter of Rights and
>>Freedoms, which guarantees the rights of women and
>>native peoples and protects other civil liberties.
>>
>>The Canadian federal government has authority in all
>>matters not specifically reserved to the provincial
>>governments. The provincial governments have power in
>>the fields of property, civil rights, education, and
>>local government. They may levy only direct taxes. The
>>federal government may veto any provincial law. Power
>>on the federal level is exercised by the Canadian
>>Parliament and the cabinet of ministers, headed by the
>>prime minister. (See the table entitled Canadian Prime
>>Ministers since Confederation for a list of Canada's
>>prime ministers.) Canada has an independent judiciary;
>>the highest court is the Supreme Court, with nine
>>members.
>>
>>The Parliament has two houses: the Senate and the
>>House of Commons. There are generally 104 senators,
>>apportioned among the provinces and appointed by the
>>governor-general upon the advice of the prime
>>minister. Senators may serve until age 75; prior to
>>1965 they had served for life. The 301 members of the
>>House of Commons are elected, largely from
>>single-member constituencies. Elections must be held
>>at least every five years. The Commons may be
>>dissolved and new elections held at the request of the
>>prime minister. There are four main political parties:
>>the Liberal party, the Conservative party (formed in
>>2003 by the merger of the Canadian Alliance and the
>>Progressive Conservative party), the Bloc Québécois
>>(aligned with the Parti Québécois of Quebec), and the
>>New Democratic party.
>>
>>Basically, if it weren't for Great Britain ALLOWING
>>you to change your constitution...you wouldn't have
>>it. How you can possibly compare the U.S. and Canada
>>is beyond reason.
>>
>>Everyone who wants to go Democratic uses the United
>>States as a profile and for good reason....we're the
>>first and still the best for all citizens....just talk
>>to some immigrants who come to this country. I've had
>>enough of this conversation. It's like arguing with a
>>4 year old...you get no where. And please don't
>>anyone bother responding....I won't be reading or
>>responding again.
>>
>>A Proud U.S. Citizen
>
>Ummm...newsflash Deb: everything you posted supports
>what Sally and I have been trying to say. Canada is a
>democracy, essentially free from the monarch since
>1982. The fact that you believe that the US is the
>best model of democracy in the world is your opinion.
>We're all entitled to our opinions, but writing things
>along the lines of "I don't feel like arguing,
>especially with a Canadian" is unfair. We're all
>supposed to be equal in this forum. Please relax,
>because there was no harm in my and Sally's post. You
>seem to be getting so angry, and over nothing.
Ummm newsflash right back atcha smarta$$...1982 does not make Canada an expert. That was my original point! We were at it LONG before you and we still are better at it. We don't have provinces....you do. I could make a list...but that would be futile. Dealing with intellectually challenged individuals is not my forte...I don't even find it amusing.
And stop misquoting me. I NEVER said "I don't feel like arguing, especially with a Canadian". YOU said that. You have misconstrued and misinterpreted my comments from the get go so that is why my back is up.
And life isn't fair sweetheart so get over it. This board is a PUBLIC forum only....doesn't say anything about equality.
You are very righteous....and very bad at it. I don't give a rat's a$$ what you think of me, my comments or my opinions. What I DO care about is somebody who never posted on this board before and takes the opportunity to do so NOT to discuss an ED but to throw your 2 cents in there about our U.S. elections and try to sell us on what your perception of how much better your country is over ours. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! You were told from the beginning this wasn't the place to start a debate/argument over politics. I directed you to the appropriate forums but you continue to come on here and keep going. And at that, you're once again misinterpreting and putting words in my mouth.
My apologies to the regulars of this board and the members of the group who have been together since the inception of the ana and mia talk board. I don't intend to hog this forum with frivolous conversations with individuals like this over these kinds of matters. That is something that shouldn't happen here. So this is my final note to put an end to this. Of course, I'm sure this person won't be able to help herself and will post a response. I assure you I will not be here to read it or respond to it...I'm just not interested.
Take care and be well all.
Deb
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