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] Date Posted: 2/07/07 10:12 In reply to: squinney man 's message, "advice about conscience" on 24/06/07 11:12 Oh this is not about people being "better people" than others or inferior either! Discussion of ethics is key and constant in most of the major religions and naturally will arise in many spiritual paths too. Suggesting you are a hypocrite and are not a "mr nice guy" and cannot post in other threads............ is totally unnessary. I saw that you came here to hear others interpretations of life on a pagan path and I shared mine. How we suddenly got into conversations about some people being better than others is beyond me?........ that is just silly. We are all doing the best we can according to our karma. Issues of collective karma are also things I think about and question........... such as actions we do as part of a couple, nation, organisation and as families for example. But there is no finger pointing here! Blessings Mel [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Paganwolf [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 2/07/07 10:47 THE INITIAL POINT Think we have an issue with the general balance of the habitation in whatever way we interprate it. Two thousand years ago, humans had a life expectancy of about 35 years. We had large predators here in the UK (Wolves, Bears etc). These would cull the weaker of the species themselves and humans would not place themselves at uneccesary risk. As mentioned before, Thomas Malthus theorised that with a finite amount of land, finite amount of breathable oxygen depending on a finite amount of plants, the planet can only sustain a finite amount of species. This number at present is assumed to be 35% over this theoretical number at present.Whether we lijke to accept the fact or not, the scientific thinking (not mine) is that the continent of Africa is over populated by humans to the tune of 52%. There are places hotter and drier than death valley, it is a physical impossibility to grow crops here but we happily send of a couple of quid a month (well I do). How one balances their Karma and establishes their own interpretation is for them alone. I'm not saying that no-one here knows of the damage that none native animals can do, Mink for example have killed of most of the water voles in the north of the country. I will shoot an animal if there is to my concience, a need or it can be utilized. Deer culling is always a sticky subject but I can give you assurances that the people who do it are the best of the best and damn good shots. Its carried out to the letter of the law, the numbers are strictly regulated as are the locations. The requirements are set down to start with and unlike a lot of recreational shooting, If you bring down a deer, you confirm it dead before moving on (not a practice unfortunately utilized in grouse shooting). This is not meant to defend my actions but to me, I class myself as a good shot and I would rather have good people doing it than a bunch of hooray henries. As mentioned before, it isn't easy at times, It can take a lot of courage to squeeze the trigger and I will always surrender the shot if the deer looks at me. Thats when I can't do it. Earth fire has raise a very valid point. Before the industrial revolution, we took only what we needed, now we are exhausting none replacable materials at an alarming rate. We as humans are the worst offenders for the disruption of the Karmic balance. We take all and give little if anything in return. If the Human race died out tomorrow, Gaia could rebuild herself but we are fast approaching the tilt point when irreversable damage to the planet will occurr. Chief Seattle summed it up perfectly. 'Only when the last fish has been caught Only when the last buffalo has been killed Only when the last tree has been felled Only then will man realize you can't eat money' These are purely my musings and no way indicative of the others who post here. Glad you're staying Blessings Paganwolf )0( [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |