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Subject: Re: yoga, tai chi, healing movement


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zenwind
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Date Posted: 1/05/07 19:53
In reply to: omseeker 's message, "yoga, tai chi, healing movement" on 8/04/07 14:32

Hi Om Seeker

Sorry to hear of your experiences with competitiveness. I guess many people are conditioned that they need to compete with other people to develop themselves. Sort of the ides of looking for some artificial yardstick 'out there' to measure themselves against. Comparison is a very bizarre concept to me at a heart level, though I understand it psychologically....but I cannot imagine the tree comparing itself to the sky?! tee hee.

In spiritual settings I find upholding that notion particularly uncomfortable. Certainly as you say odd for yoga, though the emphasis in that class may be for fitness only. But to set up what to me seems a man made artificial dichotomy of 'me' over here versus 'you' out there just would feel very strange for yoga.

I guess nothing I want can be gained from anybody else, though I may be taught otherwise through society etc. We are all of a weave in this wonderful universe (or so I believe).

The context is key I reckon; if people have fun and it gets them excited (in sport or board games etc) and don't hurt each other all good... but I would feel the need to keep an eye on whether it is causing me or others pain, or nurturing false notions of inferiority etc that create suffering...so is very cool you have found a nice encouraging group with whom to explore!

The Latin derivative (or so I am told) gives a meaning of competitevness much more like cooperation: 'to seek together.' - bit different!

I am very happy you find both paganism and buddhism interesting and you find peace and wellbeing through your experiences with them. Feel free to ask me whatever you like [though I don't have any answers ;)]

Happy trails....
namaste
zenwind

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OmSeeker
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Date Posted: 7/05/07 13:03

I find what you say very interesting ZenWind and certainly resonates for me. That is what I love about pantheist buddhist and pagan outlooks rather than the particular branch of christianity with which I was raised (don't want to genearliase to all xianity). But the idea in my birth family was that there was one soul out to compete wtih all the other souls for a place in heaven and to dominate over rivers, lands and animals as if this was the way it is. I have never felt this in my bones. Rather I have felt is so much a buddhist or hindu or some pagan views, sharing one soul with everyone. And what you say I feel deeply but not heard it expressed so well ie) all a weave in this wonderful universe. I guess having insights though is necessary for you to feel it and live it out in a path. I guess once you close your mind to it you are nver open to those expriecnces of oneness. WHen did you experience a view like this and does meditation help affirm your path? It seems all buddhist mediate LOTS but I do find my displicne wavers. Are you in a sangha and does it help?

thanks
blessings and togetherness
seeker

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