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Kenny
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Date Posted: 11:25:27 12/13/05 Tue
In reply to:
bodiman
's message, "Re: Life as a Hunter in Florida!" on 09:00:45 12/13/05 Tue
Mark you are still missing the big picture here.....
Jim had no right as the UHF Pres. to make a statement at the FWC meeting about doe week... This was an organization and things should be discussed between the "members" and the "board" then brought to the table at the FWC meetings not just pull something like that out of the air and roll with it...How the hell do you expect an organization to operate when one man speaks for all of them.
it was a shocker to me and russ a board member and the VP that we had no idea Jim was going to try to cut out doe week or we would have had a meeting about this it was like it was slid in there under the table. and thats the knife in the back I was talking about. You guys should be like Kentucky Fried Chicken do one thing and one thing only stick to WMA's because thats the focus of your organization.
Yea yea yea you tried to help the dog hunters. But you guys also tried to take doe week from private land hunters so I guess that evens it out...
These folks with private clubs that are helping you do they know you tried to take thier doe week away? and when I say you I meen the UHF not you as one person.
>Do you really think that Jim alone was the reason that
>Doe issue you keep bringing up wasn't implimented or
>maybe if you looked hard enough the bioligists of the
>FWC also felt the same, this is the reason it wasn't
>implimented, but your not going to hear any of that
>I'm sure you want to feel Jim back stabbed you and
>nothing will change that, but the truth is it was the
>right call, just like many times the FWC has thrown
>many rule changes out on the table on a whim, that Doe
>issue was just one of many since that time and that's
>why phisically being at these meeting is necasary!
>
>What do you think the Dog hunting issue was Public
>land hunting? I had written several congressman on
>that issue and there was atleast four of them who
>showed up personally to speak on Dog hunters behalf,
>That wasn't one Organization doing this but many, many
>who pulled their members together and wrote, e-mailed
>and showed up in force! When the Private land hunters
>need help we'll be there until then public land needs
>all of us to make sure that Land is open to hunting!
>
>Giving hunts away was a group effort, It's not a pay
>you for your membership but a thank you for helping
>hunters by supporting the UHF... I don't have the
>answer you want as far as What I have done Personally,
>I may never have it, but it's my hope that with the
>help of the hunters in florida, the UHF will be seen
>as a major player in all of this, though I know you
>don't want the UHF to succeed, it will be in your best
>interest as a hunter of florida that we do! If we
>fail, what will be gained, where will the next group
>of hunters come from to take the reins? we take all
>kids that can go, if we have enough permits, jims kids
>go as do mine, because we put in permits for them, we
>try to put in for others also but many are not
>fortunate to be picked, as happened this year, it's
>not like your trying to imply either, we are doing
>this to help Kids understand what hunting is like and
>intails, infact The UHF was picked by the FWC to
>speerhead their Youth hunting program! Many private
>hunting leases have signed up with us, this will be a
>good start for young kids to actually get hands on
>practice and a little schooling on everything!
>
>Mark
>
>Mark you still have not answered my question
>>What have "you" done for hunters past present or
>>whenever?
>>Your little shit ass organization would not even be if
>>not for me giving away the hunts that led to the UHF.
>>Let me ask you this. If you were not giving away hunts
>>how many would have joined? Its the chance at a free
>>hunt they want not to belong to an unorganization.
>>
>>How many kids did you take to blanding? Whos kids were
>>they?
>>They wouldnt be board members kids would they? I'm
>>sure that there were a bunch of kids who really would
>>have loved to gone.
>>
>>Why would you guys try to cut the doe week and take
>>opportunities away from hunters? Oh thats right
>>because Your Pres dont hunt private lands everything
>>you guys talk about is WMA's and let me tell you the
>>private land hunters are still out there what have you
>>done for them? Besides try to cut there doe week out
>>of jealousy..Because and I still have the e-mails from
>>back then 1 or 2 people decided that private land
>>hunters were pulling the does from the Ocala National
>>forest to the private lands surrounding it and killing
>>off all the does. I even have an e-mail from your pres
>>saying how his son cannot even kill a doe during
>>archery because of this. WOW is that one sided. Now
>>back to the basics can your members vote for the
>>board? If not why not? Its a two way street are you
>>guys affraid of being voted out. I will speak my mind
>>every chance I get I am a FOUNDER of the UHF and I
>>earned that right. and when I knew that this was not
>>the right thing for hunters in this state I backed off
>>and want no part of it. All it was was the Florida
>>Hunting Coalition with a new name and worse people
>>running it. Thats why I Bailed out when I get people
>>to join then they are calling me and asking me why we
>>stood up to cut thier doe week and take hunting
>>opportunities away from them and I had no idea You Jim
>>and whoever even did this and I was a board member and
>>russ was VP what kind or organization is that? Ill
>>tell you its called one sided and $hit rolls down hill
>>and I was not going to catch any of it because of the
>>way you guys wanted to run an organization.
>>
>>I understand that hunting is a big part of life for
>>some and they take it serious and when you say you
>>will help protect thier rights and then turn around
>>and stick a knive in thier backs and try to take
>>opportunities away Kenny dont play that $hit. You guys
>>might be trying but you cannot combine all hunters its
>>not possible thats why there are organizations like
>>QDMA, DU, NWTF, they single themselves out because
>>face it no matter what you say a duck hunter could
>>give a shit about a deer hunter a turkey hunter could
>>give a Rats A$$ about a quail hunter. You guys say you
>>are for all hunters How? I never hear mention about
>>private land hunters from you guys why is that?
>>Because your focus is primary and thats WMA's thats
>>why.
>>
>>You should be the united WMA hunters Ass. because
>>thats all you focus on. Shit rolls down hill and dont
>>be standing at the bottom Mark. think why are you and
>>Jim the only two left from the beginning? I know you
>>are 100% dedicaded that I do not question and that I
>>look up to you for but I think some are in it for the
>>Glory wanting to look like the big shot and like the
>>title that comes with it.
>>
>>
>>>Kenny, that's great to talk about the past, and i
>>>don't disagree you did everything you said you did
>>>back then, i should thank you for your quote trading
>>>Forum because that Forum and its posters have help
>the
>>>UHF with Youth Hunt permits, so In a small way you
>are
>>>helping to promote hunting here in florida Today....
>>>
>>>A few of those posters also have joined the UHF and
>>>are in the drawing for the Turkey and Hog hunts that
>I
>>>purchased to give away to two lucky members on
>>>december 20th.... but regardless of all this, My real
>>>point here is if Deer Hunters do not become more
>>>active in their sport, Politically, thru membership
>>>of several organization around florida, we are going
>>>to see a decline in available opportunities for Deer
>>>hunting! We have to be able to get into the Faces of
>>>those who are working against us, that takes dollars,
>>>not chatting on forums or creating website and
>forums,
>>>There are Many many things happening today that can
>>>affect deer hunters, Turkey Hunters, Duck Hunters are
>>>really holding many things deer hunters take for
>>>granted, The future of Hunting Summit this past year
>>>shed light on many things most hunters do not know or
>>>understand!
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Marks Question:
>>>>"But I noticed you didn't attempt to answer anything
>>i
>>>>had to say or ask,
>>>>what are you doing for yourself and Hunters of
>>>>florida, Anything?"
>>>>
>>>>http://hunting.about.com/od/deerbiggame/l/aahogs3_8_
>0
>>3
>>>a
>>>>.htm
>>>>
>>>>Here is the hunt I donated that started the UHF.
>>>>
>>>>http://hunting.about.com/library/weekly/aa_ussahunt_
>j
>>u
>>>n
>>>>e03a.htm
>>>>
>>>>Here is an article about the hunts I gave to the
>>>>disabled and terminally ill children
>>>>
>>>>http://hunting.about.com/b/a/088468.htm
>>>>
>>>>Here is one that a kid killed his first hog with me
>>>>for a birthday gift.
>>>>
>>>>Do you want me to keep going there are countless
>>>>others like about the first Uniting hunters BBQ 150
>>>>people I hosted a year before the UHF was a thought
>>>>or the countless hunts I donated to other
>>>>organizations DU, QDMA, NWTF. Not to mention the
>>>>permit trading boad I have offered for the past nine
>>>>years for all hunters to use. I have done more to
>>>>promote hunting in this state than you guys ever
>>will.
>>>>Like the hunts I donated to the UHF for the member
>>>>drive at the begining. You see how you guys are
>>asking
>>>>me what I have done, you should be ashamed of
>>>>yourself! What have "you" done to promote hunting
>>>>remember you part of this big organization
>>>>but what have you done? So dont give me any of your
>>>>BULL$HIT. Are you happy now Mark here is your
>>>"answer"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Your right Kenny, there's no sense in going there!
>>>>>
>>>>>But I noticed you didn't attempt to answer anything
>>i
>>>>>had to say or ask, and i'm game to answer anything
>>>you
>>>>>want to know about what or where the UHF is going,
>>>>>within reason, I'm sure you can understand that!
>>>>>
>>>>>Russ,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have yet to see a deer, never mind shoot one!
>Took
>>>>>my daughter to the youth hunt in camp blanding and
>>we
>>>>>never seen a track, No lie, it was that bad for us,
>>>>>Jim's boy shoot a big eight poit but her and I was
>>>>>shut out! To be honest, I'm not sure i'll be able
>to
>>>>>get her out there next year, thinking about
>spending
>>>>>some cash on a hog hunt, just to try and keep her
>>>>>interested, she love the time we spend out there!
>>>Trey
>>>>>is getting up there and shows a lot of interest,
>>>jared
>>>>>has the hormon problem and he's out of touch right
>>>>>now, but he'll get over it and be ready again in a
>>>few
>>>>>years!
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I hear the lacking in the buck department. I saw
>>>15-20
>>>>>>deer this weekend and could not put antlers on any
>>>of
>>>>>>them.. I did see a spike but where I was hunting
>>>they
>>>>>>want a forked horn rule so thats ok with
>>me.(private
>>>>>>land).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Russ Sorry to speak up in my last post but well
>>when
>>>>I
>>>>>>get on a roll I get on a roll. Your right about
>one
>>>>>>thing I know plenty of hunters who would be a UHF
>>>>>>member if it was ran a bit different. I wonder if
>>>>they
>>>>>>let the members vote on the positions(pres vp and
>>so
>>>>>>on) yet or are they still stuck with what they got
>>>>and
>>>>>>thats it? I remember we were all for the members
>>>>>>voting but were shut right down here I go on that
>>>>roll
>>>>>>again. I best stop now ar this will turn into a
>>>>>>pissing match again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Goodness. I ask a simple question and get a long
>>>>>bunch
>>>>>>>of rhetoric in reply. I ASSume that what Kenny
>>said
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>what you meant. I was guessing that, but just
>>>wanted
>>>>>>>to be sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kenny knows (as do others) that he and I were of
>>>the
>>>>>>>same mind when he resigned as a Director at the
>>>same
>>>>>>>time I resigned as Vice President of UHF. There
>is
>>>>>>>also Shane Jones, another Director who got away
>>>from
>>>>>>>the boondoggle that the UHF rapidly became soon
>>>>after
>>>>>>>its inception (which was in 2003, not 2002 as the
>>>>UHF
>>>>>>>Web site claims). One other Director also washed
>>>his
>>>>>>>hands of it at that time, but for other reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have lots of respect for one of the remaining
>>>>>>>Directors, but I see that he has also left UHF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't want to go there with this thread...
>>except
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>say that I won't have anything to do with UHF as
>>>>long
>>>>>>>as certain people are running it, because I know
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>people too well. If I had only known them that
>>well
>>>>>>>when we founded UHF, much hassle for everyone
>>could
>>>>>>>have been avoided. And, to say that I would warn
>>>off
>>>>>>>other hunters from joining, for the same
>reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, done any hunting lately? I've done a lot of
>>>>>>>hunting but not much getting. I have put a couple
>>>>>>>Georgia does in the freezer so far, and could
>have
>>>>>>>shot a very short-antlered spike a couple weeks
>>>>back,
>>>>>>>but I'm definitely lacking in the buck
>department.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Russ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What kind of application are you throwing in
>>>>>>>hunters'
>>>>>>>>>>laps?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>- Russ
>>>>>>>>Russ,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The writing is on the wall, if hunters don't
>>start
>>>>>>>>pulling together we will loose alot of what we
>>>>have,
>>>>>>>>Take that for what it's worth, the all mighty
>>>>dollar
>>>>>>>>is going to hurt hunters here in florida! Even
>>you
>>>>>>>>have to admit, Deer Hunters are lacking in
>Unity,
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>Imagine where we'd be if we pulled together like
>>>>>>>>Turkey, Duck or the manatee groups?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Babcock ranch is a 70 thousand acre Ranch that
>>>>>>Florida
>>>>>>>>has the ability to purchase, The UHF, and
>several
>>>>>>>>other organization are working to make sure
>>>hunters
>>>>>>>>will be apart of this land purchase, the DEP and
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>federal Gov. is involved here, how much land do
>>we
>>>>>>>>hunt on that the DEP owns? Do you think we
>should
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>sit back while the State of Florida buys this
>and
>>>>>>>>locks it up to Horse riders and such, like all
>>the
>>>>>>>>other land DEP owns?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mark
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