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Date Posted: 05:22:48 11/27/10 Sat
Author: MaryS
Author Host/IP: 93-96-160-112.zone4.bethere.co.uk / 93.96.160.112
Subject: thank you

I had not planned to post here... I did not know if anyone even remembered me here. I am connected with some of you on facebook but in some cases I do not know which name on here corresponds to the one I have on facebook. I did not know that madonna would post here but it's ok. Now that she has, I do feel the need to add a couple of things. This is really hard but necessary if anyone is to try in any way to understand. This is not the same as if he had died in an accident or from an illness. The obituary reads like a happy full life... but he was crippled with depression for the past several year... to my knowledge. I have since found out that the problem started in his teens or before. I did not know. How could I not know? Neil took his own life that night three weeks ago. He had said things in past weeks that should have been taken more seriously. I was not told. I am here across the ocean. The last conversation I had with him in mid October seemed normal. He had helped his dad pick out a new computer and was helping him set it up. We talked about computer things. He had been living with his Dad since returning from New Orleans... after helping with the restoration of his workplace there. When that was finished he was unable to continue to live there... most of his friends were gone and life had changed too much. On that night of November 6th he died his his dads garage. His dad found him a few hours later after returning from an evening out. I woke up here on Sunday morning to a skype message blinking on my computer (I have a skpe-in phone number that is in fact a local call for anyone in ann arbor... anyone that can easily call ann arbor can just as easily call me). My ex had left a voice mail on my skype. I could tell he was crying... something he had never done his entire adult life. He said, "hi mary, you'd better call me". It was 8:30 am here... he had left the message at 8 am my time which was either 2am or 3 am Michigan time depending on how you view the resetting of the clocks that night. Why was he calling me at that hour? I knew. I told my husband and he said "don't think the worst... just call him." But I knew. I prepared. I entered my ex's phone number in our home phone directory as I have to dial quite a few extra numbers first to get the calling plan that lets me call pretty much any country. After I finished that I was shaking. I took the phone upstairs to make the call. He answered... I could tell he was crying. I said "why did you call me? you are scaring me." He said "because of what you are scared of... Neil is dead." I screamed "Noooo"... over and over... louder and louder.... my husband ran upstairs and held me....I finally pressed the button on the phone and set it on the floor. I collapsed into my husbands arms as I was nearly falling off the edge of the bed. He said "is he in the hospital?" I screamed "he's dead." I don't remember much more of that day but at some point I called my ex back to ask what exactly had happened. He told me but I found out later he had tried to make it easier... things did not add up... I called him back 12 hours later and he finally told me how Neil had done it. He had taken extra of his prescription medications as I was first told... but he had then built a small bonfire in the garage and poured gasoline on himself and burnt himself to death. Beyond recognition. This is what my ex found just a couple of hours before he phoned me. Why didn't Neil call me? Why didn't he say goodbye. There is no note. I kept checking my email and my facebook messages sure that something would turn up. He never said goodbye.

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[> my heart is breaking for you, Mary -- lindalou, 06:09:38 11/27/10 Sat [1] (24-176-56-185.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com/24.176.56.185)

I cannot imaging how you must feel. I'm so sorry.


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[> Mine is breaking, too. -- lynne, 08:04:43 11/27/10 Sat [1] (c-75-72-210-21.hsd1.mn.comcast.net/75.72.210.21)

What unbelievable pain you must be in. I wish I could say or do something to help.

Thanks for confiding in us here. I'll be praying for you!


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[> Oh my dear, I am so sorry that you are suffering like this -- chezmere, 08:08:35 11/27/10 Sat [1] (adsl-75-56-214-177.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net/75.56.214.177)

I am sending many, many prayers for peace your way, and lots and lots of love.


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[> I am so sad for you Mary.....you and all who loved Neil are in my thoughts and prayers -- madonna, 08:29:21 11/27/10 Sat [1] (c-71-238-233-58.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/71.238.233.58)

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[> Mary -- Steph, 08:48:48 11/27/10 Sat [1] (c-67-171-52-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/67.171.52.2)

I know I speak for all of us here at Random thoughts. Although we may be only a cyber family here but a family just the same. Please know that all of us are thinking of you and keeping you in our thoughts and prayers during this difficult time. Anyime you need to grieve or share or cry someone will always be here for you.Our deepest condolences are with you.


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[> Mary -- Laura B., 09:07:44 11/27/10 Sat [1] (97-89-92-128.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com/97.89.92.128)

I feel for you and your family, Mary. I send my condolences and my prayers.

Sheila (aka Laura B.)


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[> [> I have tears in my eyes reading this -- carol, 10:33:13 11/27/10 Sat [1] (pool-96-237-55-160.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/96.237.55.160)

I cannot begin to imagine how painful this must be for you.
I can only send my prayers and hope that you will eventually be able to find some peace.
Please take care of yourself.


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[> There are no words to let you know how sad this makes me. -- Kathy, 10:52:42 11/27/10 Sat [1] (pool-70-104-111-193.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net/70.104.111.193)

Know that you are held in my thoughts and prayers.


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[> Oh, Mary, I am so, so sorry. My thoughts are with you. -- suek, 14:26:27 11/27/10 Sat [1] (adsl-70-130-168-67.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net/70.130.168.67)


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[> How awful for you, Mary! I'm so sorry your son -- sami, 14:55:02 11/27/10 Sat [1] (24-179-147-98.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com/24.179.147.98)

is gone. I can't imagine how awful it would be to lose my son, so you have my deepest sympathy. I'm sad that you couldn't come back for his funeral, for the closure that might have brought you. Prayers for your entire family.


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[> [> I'm so sorry Mary. -- Dolly, 18:02:10 11/27/10 Sat [1] (pool-173-63-26-83.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/173.63.26.83)

There are no words that can ever make it better. Just know you have friends here that care.


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[> I am so very sorry Mary! -- AmyJ, 21:05:51 11/27/10 Sat [1] (adsl-68-94-200-43.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net/68.94.200.43)

I am keeping you and your family in my prayers. Please know that we are here for you and I pray you feel the warmth of our love to comfort you.


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[> Oh, Mary !!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Katt, 21:58:28 11/27/10 Sat [1] (host-165-33-220-24.midco.net/24.220.33.165)

I don't know what to say, either.
It's just horribly sad beyond words.
I'm glad you have your husband there with you!!
You're in my prayers!


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[> You and your family are in my prayers. -- llewmark, 06:19:36 11/28/10 Sun [1] (d149-67-100-93.try.wideopenwest.com/67.149.93.100)


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[> [> my life was touched in this way -- godbless, 12:30:33 11/28/10 Sun [1] (pool-72-91-38-253.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net/72.91.38.253)

my father did leave a note and say goodbye but it is still hard to forgive him and myself sometimes. i do hope you can feel the arms of god around both of you.


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[> I am so sorry -- niki, 19:15:46 11/28/10 Sun [1] (216-43-87-143.dsl.mcleodusa.net/216.43.87.143)

Why didn't he say goodbye? Because he couldn't. You say he didn't die of an illness, but he did.
I have been depressed to the point of wanting to be gone. It is something I would not wish on my worst enemy. You cannot see your way out when you are in a hole that deep, and you are not capable of seeing that things get better or what your death will do to others.

No one saw the signs this was coming because he didn't want them to. I pray that he is finally free of his pain and that you can someday see this as a release for him. It hurts, but do not take on his pain, let it go- he would not want you to be tortured by it.

I am so sorry for your loss.


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[> [> Sending you Niki lot of love -- chezmere, 21:19:53 11/29/10 Mon [1] (adsl-75-56-215-245.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net/75.56.215.245)


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[> Oh, Mary..... -- Jenn, 21:00:18 11/28/10 Sun [1] (pool-71-170-235-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net/71.170.235.80)

I don't even begin to know what to say. As others have written, we are all here for you to any extent that we are able to be. You and your family will remain in my prayers.


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[> I also struggle to find words... -- Ruth, 08:17:11 11/29/10 Mon [1] (NoHost/216.84.103.130)

it is because there are no words.

You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.


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[> Deepest condolences. -- scooter, 10:20:47 11/29/10 Mon [1] (NoHost/141.222.45.8)


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[> So very very sorry Mary -- Dianne C, 20:58:39 11/29/10 Mon [1] (S01060013d47eedb8.cg.shawcable.net/174.0.75.241)

I've been through this with a close friend. Niki's words of wisdom are very wise. Get help when you're ready. My deepest sympathy.


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[> Oh God Mary - I am so very sorry -- Jeannine, 15:22:44 12/01/10 Wed [1] (ppp-70-129-179-192.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net/70.129.179.192)

words don't help. But PLEASE KNOW that Niki is right. He DID die of an illness. I am sending my love and hope you can feel it.


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