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Date Posted: 07:10:25 08/23/07 Thu
Author: very concerned
Subject: from national Voy 197397, CMN wrecking havoc on Locals

I dont know about your state, but the CMN donation site is causing havoc in our state.
this website is practically an entry list of who is doing what pageant. Now girls are looking at this list to determine which pageants they want to do.
Also its believed that the more donations you make that you can essentially buy yourself a title. Which is a completely false statement.
Are you having the same problems
• I was thinking - Instead of giving a crazy amount of money (which I clearly can not afford and I can not find people to help me out. Looks as if I will be doing 1 or 2 locals this year) since MAO and CMN are both about helping others.. why not a required amount of hours you must volunteer for CMN prior to the start of the season. Don't have your hours in; can't compete! (NT) -- Anonymous, 09:43:34 08/22/07 Wed
• It's not PRACTICALLY an entry list, it IS AN ENTRY LIST. The CMN money requirement is one thing; the setup of the website is another. Obviously set up by people who have NEVER run a pageant. On the local level, the girls simply do not enter if a stiff competitor is entering. My Titleholder told me that at state this year they talked about who would do which local next year so they wouldn't waste money competing against each other. Any local director will tell you that publishing the contestant list is DEATH. (NT) -- Anonymous, 10:06:16 08/22/07 Wed
o So people there is an easy fix to that -- don't register on line. Simply send in your donation by check prior to the pageant. This should go through the local director and state director. Several of our state competitiors this spring never showed up on the CMN website until 2 weeks after the pageant. Some fools were chirping about Miss State having not raised the funds, when of course she had. But it did not register until 2 weeks later. Mail it in folks, that's the answer if your girls are really doing what you say they are. (NT) -- Anonymous, 10:10:21 08/22/07 Wed
• Basically this is a tool of the national organization to destroy the local programs. Otherwise, they would have used common sense and made contestants pay a one-time $100 fee to cover every local they compete in. I realize the locals will get some of the money raised by their contestants, but ultimately it is greatly weakening the entire system. If we survive this year it will be a miracle. (NT) -- Anonymous, 10:08:37 08/22/07 Wed
o Local pageants receive 20% AFTER expenses. Whoopee. With 10 contestants that's what? A hundred bucks? But the $1000 CMN money requirement for 10 local contestants could stay at the local pageant's scholarship fund. CMN fees need to start at the state contestant level. (NT) -- Anonymous, 10:27:26 08/22/07 Wed
• No one wants to compete against the "good" girls because it's a waste of money. Especially if they only have the option to compete in 2 or 3 locals. It's killing us too! (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:27:24 08/22/07 Wed
• I think MAO came to believe their own hype about how many contestants participated, refusing to acknowledge that many compete several times. Them MAO sold CMN this figure, and CMN saw dollar signs and does not in any way understand the pageant business. If girls know a Top Tenner is in the local, they used to sign up for practice but won't any more, then the ripple effect kicks in when locals don't have enough to crown a second winner, or pay anything but minimum scholarships and may not cover the rent because there are not enough girls to sell enough tickets. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:41:49 08/22/07 Wed
o PLUS, they still say "it does not cost anything to enter" which, imho. I believe is misrepresentation or false advertising or both. They try to get past it by saying that the contestant is not supposed to pay, it supposed to be family and friends. It DOES cost to enter, regardless of who pays. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:46:07 08/22/07 Wed
• Interesting article. -- Anonymous, 12:08:37 08/22/07 Wed
• honestly, I think that only those who need to verify the amount raised should be able to view that information. It is not ANYONE'S business (regardless of if you think it is or not) to go on there and see. That would prevent CMN donation "police" from butting their noses in and also from potential contestants decided which local to do (NT) -- Anonymous, 12:11:13 08/22/07 Wed
o And they should figure out a way to keep contestants from seeing each others profiles. However, the hope with that is that they will try to out-do each other with their fundraising. Stupid people. (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:02:17 08/22/07 Wed
 In our state two of the 2006 Top 5 raised way over $1000 this year and guess what, neither made the Top 5 again. It worked last year for girls to out do each other but since it didn't put a crown on their heads, yes, they turned out to be just Stupid People. (NT) -- Anonymous, 15:09:36 08/22/07 Wed
• CMN is just the dumbest thing ever. I fully support the cause, but to pair with a non profit like MAO makes no sense in the long run. CMN generates so much money, they should have been paying for us to get a TV deal. At least now we have one! (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:41:54 08/22/07 Wed
o Any business CEO will tell you that for a non-profit to partner with another non-profit is not successful in the end because they are both looking for donations and bequests. Non-profits need to partner with For-profit corps, like CMN and Walmart where CMN gets the donations and Walmart gets the writeoff and good will. MAO needs a Walmart, cause the CMN partnership sure as heck ain't raising donations or goodwill for MAO.. (NT) -- Anonymous, 15:15:24 08/22/07 Wed
• Look at it from another view: Girls raised monies for state thinking they had all year to use the left over. When in reality it started over again after state for all except the state winner. So a girl raised $1000 for state and thought she had enough for 7 prelims. She used up her friends and family donations and now she's facing having to choose maybe 1 or 2 and pay herself. Of course she and the others are going to look out for each other and/or dodge where a returning top 5 or 10 is going. Like it or not the girls believe (and with good reason) that a top 5 or 10 from state will be picked no matter how good or bad they are that prelim night. Some of our top 5 and 10 shouldn't have been up there at all but, will be given a bye into this year's state over a better contender simply because of their placement at state. (NT) -- Anonymous, 15:35:55 08/22/07 Wed
o Sounds like you're from my state. That is EXACTLY what is happening (NT) -- Anonymous, 22:56:26 08/22/07 Wed
 I made a short note above about my Titleholder saying that at the 2007 state pageant the girls who are coming back started "picking their pageant". We talk about it all the time, There is a lot of communication among them deciding who will enter what local, and agreement that others will not enter to compete against them and therefore not waste their $100. The net result is exactly what is being discussed - pageants that had 15 last year this year have one returner and 4 new girls who don't know any better. We're looking for a cheaper venue in the hopes of being able to cover the rent, and we're only guaranteeing minimum scholarship to the winner, none to RU. This is killing us. (NT) -- Anonymous, 23:37:32 08/22/07 Wed
• We can't even pay the girls in our state to participate (NT) -- Anonymous, 22:54:42 08/22/07 Wed
o I'm the local ED for a closed pageant. Last year I had 11 contestants. This year I have 6. Coincidence? I think not! (NT) -- Anonymous, 22:59:50 08/22/07 Wed
• Even out states open pageants are having a hard time. We've gone from 30 to 10-15 (NT) -- Anonymous, 23:12:29 08/22/07 Wed
• I am a local director and will GLADLY give up my lousy 10 percent (which I have never found a director that actually got it) to get rid of the local CMN requirements. I usually have 30 - 35 contestants and this year I am looking at 8-10. MAO stand up and put a stop to this. (NT) -- Anonymous, 23:19:28 08/22/07 Wed
o So where is the money promised the locals? -- Anonymous, 01:28:48 08/23/07 Thu
• i agree with a lot of the posts b/c as a contestant its enough for me with school, work, community service, appearances, and preparation..now i have to figure out how to beg for MORE money than i already ask for in order to have a chance at a local...i dont like this cmn/mao thing... -- Anonymous, 00:03:20 08/23/07 Thu
Here is a suggestion that I cannot believe I am making because I don't do this sort of thing, but I think we all (directors and contestants) need to copy this thread and send it to MAO and CMN. Problem is that I just noticed that the CMN guy to contact is an "Independent Contractor" meaning he is a professional fundraiser and gets probably paid a cut of what he raises. He could care less how it is affecting our locals. David Harnicher dharnicher@childrensmiraclenetwork.org [PS, I just went real cold on this entire MAO/CMN crap being shoved down my throat] (NT)

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