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Date Posted: 12:40:26 10/23/07 Tue
Author: Anonymous
Subject: I am starting a Natural pageant system I have been putting together the details for about a year ( click in)

I am having trouble thinking of a name. My colors will be hot pink and black. I am having a contest to help decide a name for the pageant the winner will recieve a gift box filled with all kinds of little goodies and also a free basic package entry to the pageant email entry to mynaturalpageant@yahoo.com include your name address( to recieve your prize)age and email and you name ideas the deadline is Nov. 10th. This pageant will be all natural. I also need to get some ideas on prelim locations if you can give me some good ideas that would be great I will go to Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas & Nebraska and other areas if I have and interest. Let me know your ideas. For the first year we will hold a mini national for those who qualify at prelims and I hope by the second year we will have a national pageant. I also would like to know if you would like to see a get aquanted party where contestant would bring 1 age appropriate gift and have a gift exchange this would happen after the last event and before crowning and would give the girls something to do while scores are being added and checked. Also do You like to recieve in addition to your crown and banner would you like a trophy, plaque or a nice gift? Please I do value your input and I want to run a fair honest anf enjoyable pageant. I will follow my paperwork completely and I will have clear rules and information.

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[> This sounds great. PFFP Club wishes you the best of luck. -- Anonymous, 13:09:36 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> I forgot to list my name and I dont want to hide that my name is Karen Watts some of you may know me as Joye Flowers Mom ( funny how we lose our identity when we have kids lol) -- Anonymous, 13:19:49 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> Karen, please email us with your website as soon as you have it up and running. We will add it to our list of pageants to be reviewed. PFFPC -- Anonymous, 14:39:52 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> [> I sure will! I am waiting to get a name from my contest and then I will get the website up and running. -- Anonymous, 14:55:10 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> In what state are you located? -- Anonymous, 15:25:53 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> I live in Nebraska. -- Anonymous, 15:35:34 10/23/07 Tue [1]

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[> Iwould say that it would work out better if you gave trophys. We just did a pageant where they gave those gifts and they were conviently located on stage for all the kids to see. My daughter got 2nd alternate and also recieved a crown but when she saw a toy she wanted then she threw a fit. If all the kids arent going to get the same thing then trophys would have avoided this conflict. -- Anonymous, 06:24:30 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> What about if the gifts were not displayed with the crowns and sashes would this be better? Also I want to be sure everyone get something whether they win or not do you like to see princess titles awarded with a princess sash and a small tiara or maybe an alternate medal and small gift or any other suggestions? -- Anonymous, 07:39:29 10/24/07 Wed [1]

Karen

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[> [> [> I say gifts all the way. Maybe smaller gifts for the ones that don't win. The kids could care less about a trophy and all they do is collect dust. My dd ripped her dress with a trophy. -- Anonymous, 08:09:08 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> If all the gifts are not the same then trophys or medalions all the way. The girls that dont win know the difference in a small gift and what they represent. -- Anonymous, 19:58:55 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> THIS SHOULD NOT BE THIS WAY, THIS GIVES THE OTHER GIRLS THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY STILL WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH , YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN GIVE THEM ANYTHING, BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE THE QUEEN AND ALT. BRATZ DOLLS AND YOU GIVE THE NON WINNERS CHEAP PLAYDOUGH OR A KEYCHAIN WHEN SHE IS ONLY THREE WHAT SHOULD SHE DO WITH THAT. I WOULD FEEL THIS WAY FOR MY DD WIN OR LOSE. IT JUST ISNT FAIR, THE CROWNS AND SASHES ARE WHAT DISTINGUISH THEM FOR THE AUDIENCE, BUT MAKE ALL THE GIRLS FEEL EQUAL WITH THE TOYS. BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CROWN JUST THE TOYS. AT LEAST WHEN THE ARE YOUNGER -- Anonymous, 06:21:41 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> How Darling Dolls does it is when all the girls come up on stage at crowning in thier age group they all get the same amount of gifts then when they win thier title they get extra gifts. -- Anonymous, 21:50:55 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> [> [> My ggd loves trophies...we just give them to her to play pageant with!! -- Anonymous, 11:11:42 11/16/07 Fri [1]

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[> I have also been told my colors hot pink and black are being used right now by a larger system does anyone have any good color suggestions? I was also thinking Purple and gold -- Anonymous, 07:41:25 10/24/07 Wed [1]

Karen

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[> [> I wouldn't worry about the color you use. My goodness look how many are red white and blue. Choose any color you want. -- Anonymous, 08:06:12 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> very true I didnt even think about that lol! -- Anonymous, 08:24:02 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> I am a director of several pageants & 1 of them is black and hot pink. Use any color u want!! -- Anonymous, 10:07:31 10/24/07 Wed [1]

No one owns colors. My pageant is black and Hot pink for years and I have seen hundreds of other pageants use the same color. Also I have red white and blue pageants for my main system. WOW There are TONS of directors that use rwb. You use any color you want!!!! Dont change colors

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[> My dd and I LOVE the pageants where every child receives a crown. -- Anonymous, 11:35:04 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> do you like to recieve a princess sash as well? -- Anonymous, 15:57:09 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> My dd hasn't been in one where she got a "princess" crown/sash. But, I don't think she'd care about the sash. I think the sash is only useful if you're representing your title. I don't think many people represent "princess" titles, but for girls who love the crowns, it's always nice to go home with a tiara, even if you're a runner-up! JMO -- Anonymous, 18:17:49 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> Oh I can get real nit-picky with this but I wont, lol......I like it when the Stage or even the room is not filled with Prize tables or vendors!That way the children do not get distracted!! Also if you have a winner of each side award/overalls/catagories such as Sleepwear,Costume, OOC, Sportswear,etc.the child wins some type of certificate with the award won and a stage pic of what they wore!! My DD also LOVES Crowns Sashes and Medals, even if she was a 1RU!! I have now donated my Trophies and keep the engraved label that was on them for the scrapbook!! Hope that helps!!! -- Anonymous, 18:34:18 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> I know this veers off a bit from the original subject, but to the one who posted just above this, where do you donate trophies? I would love to do that and just keep the engraved labels. -- Anonymous, 19:55:50 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> You might try your local Boys & Girls Club or Union Mission. They give out trophies all the time and I'm sure they would appreciate your donation. -- Anonymous, 21:24:47 10/24/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> How about the compassionate crowns pageant. That sounds like a worthy donation location. we have tons of trophys and maybe 90 to 100 sashes that are rolled up in a box. Good idea to recycle to a worthy cause. -- Anonymous, 06:10:42 10/25/07 Thu [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> Thank you for thinking of us! I am located in Central IL and any attempt to help me lower my costs I'm all in favor of. If you're interested in sending them our way please email me. director@compassionatecrowns.com -- Anonymous, 07:21:49 10/25/07 Thu [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> That is great. Don't you donate to the American Cancer Society? -- Anonymous, 12:05:55 10/25/07 Thu [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> We have not done a charity pageant for the ACC. All of our proceeds from our pageants go to childrens charities. This way its "kids helping kids" and it keeps our contestants involved when they see they are helping someone their own age. C/I -- Anonymous, 12:34:38 10/25/07 Thu [1]

Like our "Coats for Kids" pageant. When the contestants play a part in picking out the coat and seeing the childs face when they receive it, it makes them want to do another one all the more!
director@compassionatecrowns.com

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[> DO YOU LIKE TO SEE PAGEANTS THAT OFFER BOTH A GLITZ AND NATURAL SIDE? I HAVE HAD A FEW PEOPLE ASK ME IF I WOULD OFFER BOTH AND I WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT EVERYONE LIKES. THANKS, KAREN -- Anonymous, 06:32:16 10/26/07 Fri [1]

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[> [> NO. I hate that. As a "natrual" mom, I've seen the "both sides" pageants and they tend to be less natural than the "natural" pageants. I like age-appropriate makeup, Sunday or flower girl dress, and hair fixed, but not fake. Those with a glitz side tend to go full makeup, hair, glitz dress, etc. Just My Opinion!!! -- Anonymous, 12:05:50 10/26/07 Fri [1]

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[> [> [> You will probably get more contestants, but you need to be real specific about what they should do for each type. I don't see a problem with it. -- Anonymous, 13:15:10 10/26/07 Fri [1]

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[> [> I have tried this and liked it. HOWEVER, keep in mind there are different degrees of natural and you need to be specific about what is and is not allowed in regards to clothing and H/M. -- Anonymous, 13:53:26 10/26/07 Fri [1]

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[> [> [> tHE NATURAL SIDE SHOULD HAVE LITTLE OF NO MAKEUP AND ANYONE WEARING A DRESS WITH ANY GLITZ AT ALL SHOULD BE PENALIZED AT LEAST 5TENTHS OF A POINT IN ORDER FOR THE GIRLS WHOSE MOTHERS COMPLY WITH THE RULES HAVE A FAIR SHOT AT THE TITLES. THEN WHEN GLITZ STARTS THEN LET IT BE ANYTHING GOES. -- Anonymous, 06:33:34 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> I like natural pageants where you can wear the glitz dress. You already have the dress and need to get your money's worth of wear lol. Plus, my dd loves the dresses. I like it where you wear your dress but little to no hair and make up. A dress doesn't change your child's beauty. -- Anonymous, 09:29:22 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> This is all great I am leaning towards doing natural only. How does everyone feel about being allowed to wear your glitz gress if you have it? Attire would not be scored. -- Anonymous, 12:46:20 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> In my opinion the glitz dress will over power the child with no make up. Its bad enough with the makeup. I could see a glitz dress with no stones on someone with no makeup. I think they are prettier without the stones anyway. -- Anonymous, 13:27:27 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> I would just say Sunday Best or Flower girl dresses only no glitz dresses and tell the judges they can deduct if they feel any of the rules where not followed. -- Anonymous, 21:54:37 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> This is my opinion.... If your DD has a "Glitz" Dress and it compliments her, then she should wear it!! If attire is NOT scored then it should not matter!! -- Anonymous, 15:54:38 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> A fully loaded national dress would look silly on a natural child. Very distracting to the judges that are looking for a natural face. -- Anonymous, 16:15:10 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> National dress with no glitz would be nice -- Anonymous, 16:57:05 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> GLITZ IS NOT NATURAL!! Natural is how you would see a child in everyday life!! -- Anonymous, 17:13:13 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> You don't see them in flower girl dresses everyday either. Come on, fancy is what its all about even if its natural. -- Anonymous, 17:32:36 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Dont get me wrong, I personally think the big glitz has gone over board, but I like them to look like a little princess even in a natural pageant. -- Anonymous, 17:36:00 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> If fancy is what it's all about then it's not a natural pageant. -- Anonymous, 17:53:17 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> You do on Sundays. -- Anonymous, 07:40:34 10/31/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> Well if attire is not being scored, it doesnt matter, they could wear a potato sack!!! If a dress distracts the judges, then they should not be judging!! -- Anonymous, 17:42:58 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> A dress should be scored. Does it fit good? Does it flatter the contestant. Is it a good color. My gosh do you want them there in a potato sack? Why even call it a pageant. Put their school clothes on them and be done with it. -- Anonymous, 18:10:12 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> OK, I'm done with this. Lets just agree to disagree ok? -- Anonymous, 18:11:48 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> You wear your potato sack and I will have mine wear a nice sunday dress or flower girl. That way we will both be happy. -- Anonymous, 18:14:20 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well if attire isnt scored, just the face, it should NOT MATTER what DD wears!!! LOL!!! -- Anonymous, 18:25:41 10/29/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I am sorry I did not mean to start all this. Just asking for your thoughts I think I will stick with flower girls or sunday best. Thanks so much for the input : ) -- Anonymous, 06:32:48 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> DIRECTORS TAKE NOTE----The posts above is the reason why you need to be very specific about what you want. Train your judges to know your rules and judge accordingly. Make sure they do that, because if they don't it will come back on you from your contestants. This is a big problem in pageants right now. -- Anonymous, 08:20:09 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> Exactly why a natural pageant shouldn`t have glitz dresses -- Anonymous, 07:42:12 10/31/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> I have seen some pageants judge in a pageant t-shirt and white shorts that may elimante this problem everyone is wearing the same thing judge facial beauty in this event, no modleing just facial beauty and personality. -- Anonymous, 19:35:35 11/12/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> If attire is not scored, GREAT. BUT . . . please do not allow clothing to be scored under the "overall impression" category, or "stage presence." Somehow, the dress is ALWAYS scored. Those of us who don't do glitz really appreciate it when the dress cannot be a "pageant dress" in the natural pageants!!! -- Anonymous, 19:04:36 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> [> [> So I guess it really dosen't matter if the child has on a rag that dosent fit her. That can be the grand supreme? I think they should dress cute. It dosent have to be a pageant dress. -- Anonymous, 06:20:20 10/31/07 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> No, but a natural pageant shouldn't score a girl higher if she has on a pageant dress if it says that clothing isn't scored!!! Directors need to specify "Sunday Best" or "flower girl attire" and not allow anything more OR less!!! -- Anonymous, 15:51:02 11/02/07 Fri [1]

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[> Make sure you put a min amount to be spent on the gift otherwise you will get some people who give a nice babrbie and then ones who give a toy from the dollar store and maybe put on your P.W think of a nice gift you and your child would be happy with otherwise you may get yourself in a mess. -- Anonymous, 21:47:53 10/30/07 Tue [1]

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[> We are new to pageants and were thinking of going to a pageant whos attire is Sunday Best, Flower Girl or Glitz and no modeling necessary. The director assured me that there are no dress scores or modeling scores. My very good friend who has been in pageants for many years told me not to waste my money since I was planning to dress my dd in Sunday Best and she does not do pro am. She said she has been to this pageant 3 years and never seen a child win who was not in full glitz and did not do pro am. This is so unfair of this director and is the reason we don't so many pageants. -- Anonymous, 10:34:49 11/10/07 Sat [1]

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[> [> We are toatally natural no glitz or fake hair, teeth or makeup will be allowed -- Anonymous, 13:45:09 11/11/07 Sun [1]

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