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Date Posted: 19:06:56 11/20/08 Thu
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: No God, no heaven no hell
In reply to: Roger 's message, "Re: No God, no heaven no hell" on 11:43:16 11/19/08 Wed

Is God finite, or infinite?

>Tha you are saying about surrender to God is what
>Christians have been saying since St. Paul. The
>Christian doesn't lose his individuality in
>surrendering to God, however. He becomes what God
>intends for him to be, and becomes his real self.
>
>There are other heavens which are easier to get into,
>and if I wanted to do just what i like, I could go
>there, but I believe in Christ, and most of what I
>have learned about Christianity I have learned since
>God took me in.
>
>Roger
>
>
>>Christianity provides each individual with a
>>>part to play, in eternal joy.
>>>
>>>I like mine better.
>>
>>But do you prefer to believe what you like or do you
>>prefer to know the truth - even if you don't like it?
>>
>>For what it's worth, here's my interpretations of
>>these End Times.
>>
>>As I said, my epiphany revealed to me that all
>>religions are based on truth, (and it's interesting to
>>me that it's mainly Christianity that is cloaked in
>>hidden meanings and symbolism - far more so than say
>>Buddhism or Taoism).
>>
>>The eastern religions will tell you that one's ego is
>>not real, we only think it is.
>>
>>It is my opinion that if one seeks to know God, they
>>can only know God by surrendering to Him and complete
>>effacement of the ego is necessary to accomplish that.
>>Thus I feel that what God wants, now more than ever,
>>is for us to seek Him - not merely 'believe' in Him.
>>
>>I feel that in one way or another, one's ego will be
>>destroyed - either voluntarily through one's own
>>efforts, or through the destruction of everything you
>>hold dear - things such as pride, power - anything
>>that gives your ego more strength. If you have a big
>>career and make a lot of money and you feel superior
>>to others due to that, then that may be taken away
>>from you.
>>
>>Here are two of my favorite quotes:
>>
>>"If a student is too serious, the benevolent deities
>>will make perfectly adequate teachers, but if the
>>student is too frivolous, only the wrathful deities
>>will be able to do the job."
>>�Ch�gyam Trungpa Rinpoche
>>
>>"There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be
>>independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this
>>destiny and discover that only the ego is bound by
>>destiny and not the Self and that the ego is
>>non-existent.
>>
>>"The other way is to kill the ego by completely
>>surrendering to the Lord, by realizing one's
>>helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but
>>Thou, oh Lord' and giving up all sense of 'I' and
>>�mine�, and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes
>>with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary
>>to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this
>>effacement through Self-enquiry or bhakti marga
>>(path)." �Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi

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Re: No God, no heaven no hell -- Roger, 00:16:39 11/21/08 Fri
- Re: No God, no heaven no hell -- Michael, 04:33:17 11/22/08 Sat