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Date Posted: 12:00:14 09/17/07 Mon
Author: Roger
Subject: Re: Zeitgeistmovie
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: Zeitgeistmovie" on 11:58:41 09/16/07 Sun

>From my research however, Mithras was indeed a Sun-god
>that was worshipped in Persia hundreds of years before
>Jeus, and just like Jesus, was born on Dec. 25 and
>also of a virgin.
>
>Jesus was/is known as the Son (Sun) surrounded by his
>12 apostles. Our own Sun is surrounded by the 12 signs
>of the Zodiac.
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Tom, the pun on Sun-Son doesn't work in Latin or Greek. In Latin the words are Sol, and Filius, respectively, and in Greek, Helios and Gios. Not even close. Twelve is an ancient number with many meanings, and Jesus's choice of twelve disciples has nothing to do with astrology. Mithras was always a fictional character.

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>When the Romans took over Christianity, they changed
>the day of worship from Saturday to SUN-day, in honor
>of their Sun-god.
>

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I must admit I don't know what the Latin word for Sunday is, if there is an ancient Latin name for it. The Romans chief god was Iupiter, the god of storms, and the Sun god was whatever their name for Apollo was.

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>The Romans also celebrated a pagan fertility festival
>dedicated to the God Icthar (pronounced "Easter")
>where they slit the throats of rabbits and sprinkled
>the blood on their fields, this became "Easter" of
>course and into which the Jesus myth was incorporated.
>

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True, the early Christians chose their festival dates to coincide with pagan festivals, both to make the pagans more comfortable with the new religion, and to prevent their own followers from celebrating the pagan festivals as well. However, Jesus's death took place at Passover, which is a springtime feast, and that is why we have Easter just after the vernal equinox. The name 'Easter' is taken from Oestre, a Germanic goddess of spring. Rabbits are a symbol of fertility, so it is not surprising that many religions and cults used rabbits in connection with spring.

The Latin word for Easter is 'Pascha' a word derived from the Hebrew 'pesach,' meaning 'passover.'

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>In addition, it was the Romans that tossed the
>original worshippers of Jesus to the lions, then,
>after Christianity grew too big, they decided to adopt
>the Christian religion as their own — BUT, not before
>the set up the First Council of Nicaea and decided
>which books would be recognized as "official" and go
>into the Bible and which would not (many of the
>gnostic texts that were rejected were actually older
>than the texts chosen for the NT). It was the Romans
>who wrote the Bible, this is an established fact.
>

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This is far from established. The council was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was a convert at the time he called the conference. The main theme of the conference was rejection of Arianism, and the statement of the Creed, which is a kind of mission statement for Christianity.

The Bible was extant in its present form as early as 200 AD, and was confirmed by the Council of Hippo (Africa) in 393, before the Council of Nicaea.

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>In any event, it's clear to me that Jesus' message was
>tampered with by the pagan, Sun-worshipping Romans.
>

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See above...

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>That all said, since I now realize that the Sun is
>indeed our father and the Earth our mother, so the
>pagan aspects are not necessarily a bad thing.
>

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That's fine for you, but as a Christian, I do not believe this, or anything like it.

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>That said, the Christianity that exists today (the
>Christianity that was invented by Rome) is a
>fear-based religion. A religion that says if you don't
>worship Jesus, you will suffer eternal damnation.

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Funny, that. My religion tells me that if I do what Jesus wants of me, and try to be as like him as possible, I will live a better life and reap my rewards in Heaven. If I go astray, God will forgive me, free for the asking.

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>
>I am now of the opinion that it is precisely FEAR that
>keeps us in line and under the control of the 'powers
>that be' — and it is something that they use quite
>masterfully, with events such as 9-11.
>

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Yes, and Bush's puppetmasters are interested in keeping us in fear, and in thrall to the corporations, but they are not really Christians.

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>So ultimately, I believe that the person who made
>Zeitgeist has made some errors in his film, and
>doesn't realize that these are indeed the "End Times";
>but at the same time, his documentary has a lot to
>ponder. I see him as nothing more than a regular human
>being, who has come to some startling conclusions —
>even if his facts are a little off here and threre,
>that reason alone should not be one to dismiss
>everything he has to say. To do that smacks of
>ignorant fanaticism, whereby one will only "believe"
>someone who is 100% right, and if that person is not,
>then they must then be 100% wrong. In other words, a
>person who lives in a simplistic world of black &
>white, 100% right or 100% wrong — a world with no
>shades of gray.
>
>To me, this type of thinking is, first and foremost, a
>product of fear.

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That is the greatest problem with Fundamentalism. Unthinking Christianity is a dangerous thing, just as any Fundamentalism is.

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