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Date Posted: 20:34:56 09/29/08 Mon
Author: Roger (preternaturally perceptive)
Subject: Re: Time Monks
In reply to: Michael 's message, "Re: Time Monks" on 10:10:47 09/26/08 Fri

I couldn't agree more with your first point, Michael. And I would include some of the Christian cults in your list, and charismata, for that matter.

For me, the spiritual journey is into a relationship with God. Since the important parts of this journey occur within oneself, I suppose I concur with you.

I believe that the future exists, but only God, who exists outside of time, knows what the future is, and he ain't telling. So, we don't know what the future is, but we are creating our part of it by our choices.

I don't believe anyone knows the future, but some people can make educated guesses, and some others can throw out predictions, and later on gather in the ones that came true, and ignore the ones that did not. Or make ones that are vague enough to fit anywhere.

I predict that the winner of the US elections will be an articulate and intelligent man with a young way of thinking, who ran an exciting race and won. You heard it here first!

Roger

>My main concerns with all this stuff is:
>
>1. It takes people AWAY from spiritual practice and
>into fortune telling, astrology, crystals,
>palm-reading, levitation, etc etc etc and all the fake
>'spiritual powers' that people claim to have. This
>encourages others to try to develop them, and does the
>ego no good.
>
>2. It encourages a journey outward, when a spiritual
>journey should be inward.
>
>3. Any fool can make vague claims such as these.
>
>its fine saying 'be open minded' but not if it
>encourages anti spiritual practice, such as this.
>Discrimination is required.
>
>As the Buddha said, 'Dont take my word for it, try the
>teachnigs for yourself and see if it is true'
>
>Let these 'fortune tellers' make a series of specific
>predictions that can be verified, then I am prepared
>to be convinced.
>
>I require that they convince me if they want me to
>believe their claims. There's nothing wrong in that.
>
>There are thousands of people such as these, making
>claims such as these. Why should i believe in them and
>not all the others? Why do you?
>
>Bear in mind I have attended a meditation group for
>about 8 years now, and Ive heard much of this stuff
>many times. 'Powers' that people have or their 'Guru'
>has. And Ive seen these often be shown as fakes - but
>that doesnt seem to teach the gullible anything - they
>just move on to the next one. In the end, i let them
>get on with it. I guess they are not ready for proper
>spiritual practice.
>
>Normally I wouldnt (for the same reasons) reply like
>this, but Ive just seen a whole load of these folks
>have one of their 'Gurus' shown to be a fake, beyond
>doubt - hes admitted it. And still they dont really
>learn, but carry on with his 'special practice' still
>talk about other, very similar 'Gurus' who make the
>same sort of claims, and still think he may still be
>'highly spiritually evolved' even though they accept
>the irrefutable evidence.
>
>
>
>>I would have thought you were more open minded than
>>this.
>>

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